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UFO's


zinedine said:
This planet has life because it has the perfect circumstances for life. It's position in relation to a sun that it orbits around. Any closer and there's no life, any further away and there's no life. It has a protective magnetic field, the elements and chemicals needed to support life and most importantly it has water. A lot of water.

While it's possible another planet could have exactly the same make up as ours, life on it would be similar to ours. So not likely to be thousands of years more advanced than us. Have the ability to travel at the kind of speeds needed to cross the galaxy. Then for some strange reason having got here they make no contact with us.

I think sci-fi TV and films has created the notion in people's heads that there is other intelligent life out there. That they have visited us in these unidentified objects that have been seen in the sky. When the reality is that those objects are all man made. Made on this planet as well.
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It's certainly unlikely, we don't just have the natural position of earth and abundance of water. There is also an element of luck involved. It took billions of years for two single celled organisms to bump together and rather than killing each other off, one absorbed the others energy to do more than just Bob around doing nowt. Incredibly rare.

That being said, regarding the distances involved, im sure time doesn't work the same way if you are traveling close to the speed of light, as length contraction and time dilation will mean time is passing slower for the person travelling. Also while the speed of light may be constant space is not and therefore in Theory can manipulated if the tech is there.

At that speed though a spec of dust hitting a ship would be devastating.

The classified files would certainly be interesting.
 
Wild Card said:
It's certainly unlikely, we don't just have the natural position of earth and abundance of water. There is also an element of luck involved. It took billions of years for two single celled organisms to bump together and rather than killing each other off, one absorbed the others energy to do more than just Bob around doing nowt. Incredibly rare.

That being said, regarding the distances involved, im sure time doesn't work the same way if you are traveling close to the speed of light, as length contraction and time dilation will mean time is passing slower for the person travelling. Also while the speed of light may be constant space is not and therefore in Theory can manipulated if the tech is there.

At that speed though a spec of dust hitting a ship would be devastating.

The classified files would certainly be interesting.
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Plus the multiple extinction events that have happened in earth’s history, if not for the great oxidation or the death of dinosaurs, we wouldn’t be here at all.
 
Mace said:
Seem to be quite a few shapes as reported by pilots. Your traditional disc or saucer, black triangle, cigar, and recently cubes with a pyramid inside. Ryan Graves is an ex US pilot and he's good value when it comes to this and what he and other pilots have seen. He does a podcast available on youtube which is a really good watch/listen.

Can't get away with Greer myself. 100% believe Lazar. The amount of things he was talking about in the late 80's that have came to fruition leans me that way. Not to mention element 115 which only came onto the periodic table in 2013.
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The cube shape, that will be the Borg. As seen in my avatar.(:
 
fyl2u said:
Saying it's "indisputable".

Clearly it is disputable or nobody would be disputing it.

Look, here I am disputing it. If it was indisputable, I wouldn't be able to do that.
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What are you trying to dispute? The fact that UAP's have been detected on radar by the most up to date radar systems the American navy have at their disposal. The data is there. There are unidentified anomalous craft, whatever you want to call them, flying in airspace. That is indisputable.
 
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knumbskull said:
Plus the multiple extinction events that have happened in earth’s history, if not for the great oxidation or the death of dinosaurs, we wouldn’t be here at all.
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There was an old RPG game called chrono trigger. It had the premise of time travel and at some point in the game you go back in time to where the dinosaurs were becoming as smart as humans and due to a series of events you kill the smartest dinosaur and it messes up their would be path and we flourished. Found it thought provoking in a what if sense.
 
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Mace said:
What are you trying to dispute? The fact that UAP's have been detected on radar by the most up to date radar systems the American navy have at their disposal. The data is there. There are unidentified anomalous craft, whatever you want to call them, flying in airspace. That is indisputable.
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I'm disputing that there's any evidence whatsoever that any UAP ever have been of alien origin.
 
Wild Card said:
There was an old RPG game called chrono trigger. It had the premise of time travel and at some point in the game you go back in time to where the dinosaurs were becoming as smart as humans and due to a series of events you kill the smartest dinosaur and it messes up their would be path and we flourished. Found it thought provoking.
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Funny you should mention that. Some people close to the matter have linked UAP's interest in nuclear weapons sites to future human's.
fyl2u said:
I'm disputing that there's any evidence whatsoever that any UAP ever have been of alien origin.
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Which is fair enough. Thats the biggest question imo. Whose are they?
 
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zinedine said:
I wasn't stating facts just an opinion, a possibility. To say it's totally not true is totally not true.
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There's no reason to believe life on even an identical planet to Earth around an identical Sun to ours, both of an identical age would have the same kind of life.
There's even less reason to believe that life on that other planet would develop and evolve at the same rate life evolved here.
There's even less reason to believe that intelligent life would arise at the same point in that planet's history as it did here.
There's even less reason to believe that civilisations would form at the same rates they did here.

Then you have the rise and fall of empires, the different forms of governmental rule, the push and pull on technological advancement between religion and science, competition between countries and in the case of capitalism, companies.

Even if we ignore the first 4.5 billion years or so that our planet existed and just concentrate on the past 10,000 years, technological and scientific advancement here may have been a few thousand years faster or slower with different political factors.

That's before we look at all the great extinctions killing off massive amounts of life on this planet that might have otherwise evolved into advanced civilisations many years ago, or perhaps even aided in ours evolving as fast as it did due to removing predator species that were hindering us.

Even if everything on this Other Earth had been identical to our Earth in every possible way, down to the timing of the very beginning of life and it evolving into dinosaurs, one single asteroid hitting near Central America could literally have made millions of years difference in how fast we made it into space.

And we haven't even touched on the fact that not every planet and star came into being at the same time. There are still stars being born in nebulae right now, and no doubt many others that resembled our sun that were born and died already, taking their "Other Earths" with them.

And on another note, carbon-based life isn't necessarily the only form of life. It isn't out of the question that a planet out there might have silicon-based life instead for example. As such, another planet doesn't necessarily have to resemble Earth all that closely in order to be capable of containing life.
Mace said:
What is the point in having them and using them for fuck all if they are human made? Makes no sense.
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Saving them for when they really need them? No point letting China, North Korea and Russia know we have new technologies that can obliterate them from existence unless they kick off on us, is there?

Also there are the other possibilities, that these aren't vehicles at all, but are actually:

- tricks of the light
- tricks of the mind
- radar glitches

...etc.
 
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zinedine said:
This planet has life because it has the perfect circumstances for life. It's position in relation to a sun that it orbits around. Any closer and there's no life, any further away and there's no life. It has a protective magnetic field, the elements and chemicals needed to support life and most importantly it has water. A lot of water.

While it's possible another planet could have exactly the same make up as ours, life on it would be similar to ours. So not likely to be thousands of years more advanced than us. Have the ability to travel at the kind of speeds needed to cross the galaxy. Then for some strange reason having got here they make no contact with us.

I think sci-fi TV and films has created the notion in people's heads that there is other intelligent life out there. That they have visited us in these unidentified objects that have been seen in the sky. When the reality is that those objects are all man made. Made on this planet as well.
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I understand your point but you’ve based the universe there in a very very simple form. The human mind can’t even begin to grasp the size and complexity of the universe. There’s estimated two billion earth like planets in the milky way itself.
 
fyl2u said:
There's no reason to believe life on even an identical planet to Earth around an identical Sun to ours, both of an identical age would have the same kind of life.
There's even less reason to believe that life on that other planet would develop and evolve at the same rate life evolved here.
There's even less reason to believe that intelligent life would arise at the same point in that planet's history as it did here.
There's even less reason to believe that civilisations would form at the same rates they did here.

Then you have the rise and fall of empires, the different forms of governmental rule, the push and pull on technological advancement between religion and science, competition between countries and in the case of capitalism, companies.

Even if we ignore the first 4.5 billion years or so that our planet existed and just concentrate on the past 10,000 years, technological and scientific advancement here may have been a few thousand years faster or slower with different political factors.

That's before we look at all the great extinctions killing off massive amounts of life on this planet that might have otherwise evolved into advanced civilisations many years ago, or perhaps even aided in ours evolving as fast as it did due to removing predator species that were hindering us.

Even if everything on this Other Earth had been identical to our Earth in every possible way, down to the timing of the very beginning of life and it evolving into dinosaurs, one single asteroid hitting near Central America could literally have made millions of years difference in how fast we made it into space.

And we haven't even touched on the fact that not every planet and star came into being at the same time. There are still stars being born in nebulae right now, and no doubt many others that resembled our sun that were born and died already, taking their "Other Earths" with them.

And on another note, carbon-based life isn't necessarily the only form of life. It isn't out of the question that a planet out there might have silicon-based life instead for example. As such, another planet doesn't necessarily have to resemble Earth all that closely in order to be capable of containing life.


Saving them for when they really need them? No point letting China, North Korea and Russia know we have new technologies that can obliterate them from existence unless they kick off on us, is there?

Also there are the other possibilities, that these aren't vehicles at all, but are actually:

- tricks of the light
- tricks of the mind
- radar glitches

...etc.
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That's a bit long winded I only read the first paragraph. There's a theory that the universe is so vast that somewhere there will be a planet which has evolved exactly the same way as this one. I find it hard to believe, but.
 
fyl2u said:
There's no reason to believe life on even an identical planet to Earth around an identical Sun to ours, both of an identical age would have the same kind of life.
There's even less reason to believe that life on that other planet would develop and evolve at the same rate life evolved here.
There's even less reason to believe that intelligent life would arise at the same point in that planet's history as it did here.
There's even less reason to believe that civilisations would form at the same rates they did here.

Then you have the rise and fall of empires, the different forms of governmental rule, the push and pull on technological advancement between religion and science, competition between countries and in the case of capitalism, companies.

Even if we ignore the first 4.5 billion years or so that our planet existed and just concentrate on the past 10,000 years, technological and scientific advancement here may have been a few thousand years faster or slower with different political factors.

That's before we look at all the great extinctions killing off massive amounts of life on this planet that might have otherwise evolved into advanced civilisations many years ago, or perhaps even aided in ours evolving as fast as it did due to removing predator species that were hindering us.

Even if everything on this Other Earth had been identical to our Earth in every possible way, down to the timing of the very beginning of life and it evolving into dinosaurs, one single asteroid hitting near Central America could literally have made millions of years difference in how fast we made it into space.

And we haven't even touched on the fact that not every planet and star came into being at the same time. There are still stars being born in nebulae right now, and no doubt many others that resembled our sun that were born and died already, taking their "Other Earths" with them.

And on another note, carbon-based life isn't necessarily the only form of life. It isn't out of the question that a planet out there might have silicon-based life instead for example. As such, another planet doesn't necessarily have to resemble Earth all that closely in order to be capable of containing life.


Saving them for when they really need them? No point letting China, North Korea and Russia know we have new technologies that can obliterate them from existence unless they kick off on us, is there?

Also there are the other possibilities, that these aren't vehicles at all, but are actually:

- tricks of the light
- tricks of the mind
- radar glitches

...etc.
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Take the Nimitz tic tac case for example. They tracked things on radar for a couple of days beforehand. It popped up again when they were doing excercises so sent Fravor and his wingman to have a look. The fact the thing was there, physically, makes the radar glitch thing inapplicable. Then you factor in what they described seeing with their own eyes, manouvers, the physical shape of the craft etc (from every pilot and co pilot there) makes me not go with trick of the light or mind.

Again mate not ruling out that they might be human tech. Anything is possible. No cards are off the table when it comes to this.
 
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Mace said:
Take the Nimitz tic tac case for example. They tracked things on radar for a couple of days beforehand. It popped up again when they were doing excercises so sent Fravor and his wingman to have a look. The fact the thing was there, physically, makes the radar glitch thing inapplicable. Then you factor in what they described seeing with their own eyes, manouvers, the physical shape of the craft etc (from every pilot and co pilot there) makes me not go with trick of the light or mind.

Again mate not ruling out that they might be human tech. Anything is possible. No cards are off the table when it comes to this.
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They could have been some new kind of submarine-launched missiles or drones. Pilot intercepted one when it was high up, it then fell down into the ocean, and when the pilot followed, "it" (or more likely "another one") leapt out of the water and went up high again.
 
So tomorrow, there’s the second public hearing where senators get to grill the head of AARO about what the Pentagon know about the phenomenon, crash retrieval, backwards engineering programs etc. not expecting any big bombshells to come from this meeting and the Pentagon are likely to deny everything (even though they will be under oath) but could pave the way for ‘interesting’ developments later in the year.

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. Ignore his slightly’woo’ demeanour. The people he quotes & shows clips of in this video are all legitimate & are well connected in the UAP world.
fyl2u said:
Saving them for when they really need them? No point letting China, North Korea and Russia know we have new technologies that can obliterate them from existence unless they kick off on us, is there?
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No.

Saving them for after they’ve kicked off completely misses the point in having them. Why unveil your trillion dollar super weapon once half your population are dead and your country is an irradiated wasteland?!

The whole point in having powerful weapons is to act as a deterrent to make your enemies think twice about attacking you in the first place. Stealth aircraft have been public knowledge since the’80s.
 
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