The Nazis



Operation paperclip, suggests that some Nazis may well have done ok from the war and have had a huge influence over mankind ever since.
 
Aituk7 said:
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Yeah, the germans probably would have won the battle of britain, we were on our last few planes and airfields when luckily churchill ordered a bombing raid on berlin.

Hitler took a massive tantrum at this and switched the air targets from the raf bases to heavy industrial cities... starting the blitz but giving us a chance to regroup our airfields and fix our planes.

It was very touch and go until then.
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I saw a great programme about Britain's greatest pilot, Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown, and he interviewed Göring after the war. Göring reckoned that the Battle of Britain was a draw and that even with the cities bombing campaign the Luftwaffe were beginning to see RAF casualties outstrip German ones. They both agreed that it was Hitler's decision to invade Russia and dividing his forces on another front as the key moment that changed the war for Britain.
 
Teed said:
Operation paperclip, suggests that some Nazis may well have done ok from the war and have had a huge influence over mankind ever since.
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Those rockets go up,
But where they come down,
That's not my department,
Said Wernher Von Braun.
 
Course they would have won.
Hitler fucked everything up, was mad, ill, controlled by Bormann etc.

The general staff were some of the finest military minds in the world: just look at Guderian and his revolutionary style of war fare.

Might have to get rid of goering anarl mind.
 
JonMc said:
Keeping the silliness that is Brexit out of this...Len Deighton's SS-GB might up your street. The BBC dramatized it last year. Not bad.
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Sounds interesting I will have a look. Also just came across Fatherland by Robert Harris who sounds interesting. Thanks.
 
defunctdigits said:
Sounds interesting I will have a look. Also just came across Fatherland by Robert Harris who sounds interesting. Thanks.
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It sounds interesting but is awful. Like a 13 yr old Jeffrey Archer writing a historical thriller marra. Clunky as owt. He has good ideas for books but should franchise them out to someone who can string words together properly. James Patterson has been doing that for decades.
 
Maxnormal said:
Course they would have won.
Hitler fucked everything up, was mad, ill, controlled by Bormann etc.

The general staff were some of the finest military minds in the world: just look at Guderian and his revolutionary style of war fare.

Might have to get rid of goering anarl mind.
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Guderian was way before his time when it come to tank warfare. Tukhachevsky was probably the only person the Russians had who really understood Guderians theories/tactics and he was executed in about 37-38. Then rehabilitated years later....

You have to take into account lend lease, hitler splitting his armies before Moscow, the weakening of Army Group North around Leningrad and the piss poor quality of the Eastern European troops. Add in the egos of the German general staff and it’s pretty easy to see it was Germany that lost the war rather than Russia that won it. After Bagration it was a different ball game however and then it was finally over for them.

Interesting and very brutal time in our history.
 
Richy Fingers said:
Nah. The Russians overwhelmed them.

Just think, only half a million Brits died during WW2, where as 27 million Russians died. 11 million of those were soldiers.

We and the US like to think we won the war but really it was the Russians literally throwing themselves at bullets. Without them attacking from the East, Germany would have steamrollered Europe.
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Russians would have probably been beaten without British involvement. Imagine if the Germans hadn't needed all those men (a million or so) to defend Germany from RAF raids, or had they built more tanks rather than aerial defence weaponry (from fewer factories due to bombing raids). Not to mention the crippling blockades implemented by the Royal Navy bringing Germany to it's knees, and lack of oil following defeat in North Africa.

Dave Herbal said:
Could they have won the war with proper military strategists in charge, rather than Hitler’s Nazi bum chums?
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They needed Britain to surrender early on or at least agree to peace. The superiority of the Royal Navy meant the longer the war went on, they would never win.
 
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Az* said:
Guderian was way before his time when it come to tank warfare. Tukhachevsky was probably the only person the Russians had who really understood Guderians theories/tactics and he was executed in about 37-38. Then rehabilitated years later....

You have to take into account lend lease, hitler splitting his armies before Moscow, the weakening of Army Group North around Leningrad and the piss poor quality of the Eastern European troops. Add in the egos of the German general staff and it’s pretty easy to see it was Germany that lost the war rather than Russia that won it. After Bagration it was a different ball game however and then it was finally over for them.

Interesting and very brutal time in our history.
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This.
 

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