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The Mags have beaten us again

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Sima said:
Dress it up how you want, Ashley has still doubled the debt of the club.
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So is he putting money into the club via loans, or taking money out of it to buy up the High Street.

I can’t keep up with all this, wish you lads would create just one myth and stick to it.
 
What A Waster said:
Ashley with Newcastle is like driving with the handbrake on, or like running in a swimming pool. He doesn't want to try and be as good as possible.
I'm not talking about challenging for the title, but at least trying to be "best of the rest".
If the next owner turns out worse so be it, you then hope for things to improve again after that. Just accepting your lot just in case things get worse is stupid. Wanting things to be better is worth taking a risk for it imo.
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It’s not something Newcastle fans do very well, but you need to appreciate where you fit in, in the natural order of English football.

Newcastle are a naturally a lower half, top flight club who haven’t won anything of note since 1955. Ashley is keeping them afloat in their ‘natural’ position after Hall/Shepherd chased the dream, failed, almost bankrupted the club and then bailed out.

Be careful what you wish for as you could quite quickly sink
 
Eggman said:
It’s not something Newcastle fans do very well, but you need to appreciate where you fit in, in the natural order of English football.

Newcastle are a naturally a lower half, top flight club who haven’t won anything of note since 1955. Ashley is keeping them afloat in their ‘natural’ position after Hall/Shepherd chased the dream, failed, almost bankrupted the club and then bailed out.

Be careful what you wish for as you could quite quickly sink
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We may as well all just give up then!!
So City should really hand their current titles to either Manchester United or Liverpool. Brighton, what the hell are they doing in the Premier league?? get back down to the 3rd division you pesky little club, whats this Chelsea have won titles recently too :eek: hand them over, You are not supposed to be a top table club, you buggers, and Villa, you have been squandering down the bottom far too long, you deserve a title.

There is no such thing as natural position.
You get where you get on merit and luck and this "natural" position will change with the winds.

There is nothing wrong with aspiring to do better in my opinion, I also don't see any real fault in believing you are better. Don't put up with shyte, you should never accept shyte as that is all you will get.
 
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Amaw said:
We may as well all just give up then!!
So City should really hand their current titles to either Manchester United or Liverpool. Brighton, what the hell are they doing in the Premier league?? get back down to the 3rd division you pesky little club, whats this Chelsea have won titles recently too :eek: hand them over, You are not supposed to be a top table club, you buggers, and Villa, you have been squandering down the bottom far too long, you deserve a title.

There is no such thing as natural position.
You get where you get on merit and luck and this "natural" position will change with the winds.

There is nothing wrong with aspiring to do better in my opinion, I also don't see any real fault in believing you are better. Don't put up with shyte, you should never accept shyte as that is all you will get.
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Can't even spell shite man
 
Eggman said:
It’s not something Newcastle fans do very well, but you need to appreciate where you fit in, in the natural order of English football.

Newcastle are a naturally a lower half, top flight club who haven’t won anything of note since 1955. Ashley is keeping them afloat in their ‘natural’ position after Hall/Shepherd chased the dream, failed, almost bankrupted the club and then bailed out.

Be careful what you wish for as you could quite quickly sink
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I’ve seen this theory put forward before and replied with an example of Bournemouth.

Their natural position historically is League One or League Two. If all of a sudden they were to tumble down to the playoff places in League Two should they have no right to feel aggrieved at all?
 
Which 10 or so clubs enjoy a natural position above Newcastle United? The Manchester and Liverpool clubs, sure. Do Chelsea? Do Watford? Do Leeds? Also, who decides the timeframe for deciding natural position? If it's the fans of the club's local rival, I'm not sure they're going to be fair minded.

It's pretty obvious that Mike Ashley is without ambition beyond survival, and while no club has a divine right to anything, it's reasonable to say Newcastle United would be able to be more ambitious on the pitch, with a more ambitious owner at the helm.
 
The Fish said:
Which 10 or so clubs enjoy a natural position above Newcastle United? The Manchester and Liverpool clubs, sure. Do Chelsea? Do Watford? Do Leeds? Also, who decides the timeframe for deciding natural position? If it's the fans of the club's local rival, I'm not sure they're going to be fair minded.

It's pretty obvious that Mike Ashley is without ambition beyond survival, and while no club has a divine right to anything, it's reasonable to say Newcastle United would be able to be more ambitious on the pitch, with a more ambitious owner at the helm.
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Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea, Aston Villa then you start to get into Mags territory with the likes of probably Leeds, Forest, WBA, Wolves, Southampton, Leicester
 
Eggman said:
Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea, Aston Villa then you start to get into Mags territory with the likes of probably Leeds, Forest, WBA, Wolves, Southampton, Leicester
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:lol:
40 seasons in the top flight to our 87
 
Eggman said:
Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea, Aston Villa then you start to get into Mags territory with the likes of probably Leeds, Forest, WBA, Wolves, Southampton, Leicester
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I think you're showing your age there. Were you to ask a 20yr old neutral, I'd be amazed if they said that Forest, Leeds, Villa or West Brom would enjoy a "natural position" above Newcastle.
 
Eggman said:
Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea, Aston Villa then you start to get into Mags territory with the likes of probably Leeds, Forest, WBA, Wolves, Southampton, Leicester
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Leeds have had 50 top flight seasons.
Forest 56.
Wolves 64
Southampton 40
Leicester 52



Chelsea and Spurs (both 84) have had less top flight seasons than Newcastle, but Bolton have had 73 which is more than all those teams you mentioned other than WBA who have 81.

Not sure how your logic works
 
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