Nowt to do with Muslims. Go to any town down south and the pubs are empty with the kids all sitting in their cars outside some shopping park. Been like that for years down there.
The importance of pubs
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I've got 2 kids both legal age fur drinking. Daughter at uni goes out late on and gets in late. Son at home goes to gigs, socialise with his mates and lass etc barely goes into a pub. Has no interest in getting pissed at all. Only time I know him to drink is have pint or two with me at the match or if we're out for bait and fancies a pint. Judging by the age you see in your average estate or local pub, he's in the majority.
Fred Secrets
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Gagging for a pint now, with all this pub talk.
Redandwhitedust
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Fair point. Ive never been in the pub trade, but that makes sense.
I just dont see that a blanket tax break that includes the big boys will help make pubs more vialble. The pubcos and their shareholders will love it while offering little to no benefit to the tenants. Pubs might not be profiteering but I'm sure the pubcos will given half a chance.
Unless the tax break has conditions attached, i just cant see the benefits filtering down to the tenants.
Marty Moose
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I've been off work, and I've barely been out of the local. Sat sipping a few late afternoon pints in the sun watching the world go by, absolute bliss.
Abu Dhabi Red and White
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Love a cheap pub lunch and a glass of free tap water - fuck beer.
Tex
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I don’t agree that smoking was the main reason, maybe a contributing factor. But what you wrote here is spot on Teed. The attraction for grown and allegedly straight men to be transfixed by a f***ing ballroom dancing contest will baffle me to my dying days. It used to be on BBC on a Tuesday night for the pensioners before their Horlivka and bedtime, now it seems to be compulsory viewing. Last time I was home on a Christmas Day the entire family celebration came to a screeching halt while everyone - young and old, male and female, had to find out who won the chacha or whatever!It's not just about drinking man, the whole atmosphere changed, mind I should have said, that the ban put the last nail in the coffin, they were closing before the ban came in, to many young bloke under the thumb now anarl. having to sit there on the couch with their lass, watching Strictly and all the soaps, Blokes watching ballroom dancing, man.....that's what me nanna used to do.
Alongside this is the fact that in the seventies and eighties being at home was boring. We had three channels of telly and the houses were draughty. Now houses are all centrally heated (or air conditioned for the real puffs) there’s 300 channels of telly, gameboys, Nintendos, Wiis, netflix movies on demand, bait deliveries from a vast variety of food styles and the internet to face time with your mates and tinder to try and hook up with a bewer. There’s no need to leave the gaff!
Might not change the price of a pint, but might stop pubs going bust, and make it more attractive to good owners. At the moment seems that anyone willing to take a punt on a pub, not matter how little experience they have, gets the gig.
beezer
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There’s a few millennials work with me who rarely go out in town. Their argument is it’s too expensive. I’d argue that even at a 5er a pint they can still have 10 pints for £50 and have a good time.
They’re all pretty unanimous that they need well over £100 each for a night out. It’s not just drink they want it’s sniff etc on top. Each to their own n that but I think it’s bad crack that lads can’t have a night out without it. Apparently the lasses are just as bad too.
They’re all pretty unanimous that they need well over £100 each for a night out. It’s not just drink they want it’s sniff etc on top. Each to their own n that but I think it’s bad crack that lads can’t have a night out without it. Apparently the lasses are just as bad too.
gegsongegsonlegs
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Smoking ban was only one of lots of factors that's hit the trade hard in my opinion.
High rental costs.
Brewery squeezing more and more ( barreledge etc)
Pressure to show live sport to compete.
Supermarket prices
Smoking ban ( minimal impact for me)
More health conscious population
Technology ( not something I considered until now)
Licensing laws
And many many more.. govt, breweries, tv providers etc really need to get together and work out what will keep pubs open if that's what they want.
Sky for example charge for their packages based on the rateable value of a premises. ( I have been led to believe) and the price per month for my local club is around £1150 per month and that was with a reduction.. Reduced footfall means that's not viable so there's no sky/by/virgin meaning those that turn out to watch a live game will go elsewhere..
Breweries also selling at a set price if an outlet sells a number of barrels. Don't hit your barrel target over a month and you are slapped with a fine and a return to the higher price for your beer.. I get the feeling that breweries don't care too much as they'll still sell millions of slabs of cans in Asda anyway so will squeeze as many ££££'s as they can from the pub trade.
I love going out and having a few beers with the lads and I've wondered whether the rise in drug use has had an impact.. I don't take drugs so I don't know but if I went out on a Friday and my regular routine was 7/8 pints, get a bit merry then home. Would my beer intake reduce as a result of the drug I took.. ???? Always thought of a person is getting high from a small bag then that would negate the need for beer.... like I say I don't know just wondered...
But if all pubs shut I'd probably never drink again, hate drinking at home..
High rental costs.
Brewery squeezing more and more ( barreledge etc)
Pressure to show live sport to compete.
Supermarket prices
Smoking ban ( minimal impact for me)
More health conscious population
Technology ( not something I considered until now)
Licensing laws
And many many more.. govt, breweries, tv providers etc really need to get together and work out what will keep pubs open if that's what they want.
Sky for example charge for their packages based on the rateable value of a premises. ( I have been led to believe) and the price per month for my local club is around £1150 per month and that was with a reduction.. Reduced footfall means that's not viable so there's no sky/by/virgin meaning those that turn out to watch a live game will go elsewhere..
Breweries also selling at a set price if an outlet sells a number of barrels. Don't hit your barrel target over a month and you are slapped with a fine and a return to the higher price for your beer.. I get the feeling that breweries don't care too much as they'll still sell millions of slabs of cans in Asda anyway so will squeeze as many ££££'s as they can from the pub trade.
I love going out and having a few beers with the lads and I've wondered whether the rise in drug use has had an impact.. I don't take drugs so I don't know but if I went out on a Friday and my regular routine was 7/8 pints, get a bit merry then home. Would my beer intake reduce as a result of the drug I took.. ???? Always thought of a person is getting high from a small bag then that would negate the need for beer.... like I say I don't know just wondered...
But if all pubs shut I'd probably never drink again, hate drinking at home..
mcq10
Striker
Having kids put pay to my regular drinking sessions.
Costs a fortune going out. Spent two nights in Liverpool last week and spent the shy end of 250 quid for two nights boozing.
It’s not cheap and I always feel guilty these days spending that type of coin. That’s basically what it’s gping to cost in after school care for little missmcq10 when she starts school in September
When I was kid free I wouldn’t have thought twice about it
Costs a fortune going out. Spent two nights in Liverpool last week and spent the shy end of 250 quid for two nights boozing.
It’s not cheap and I always feel guilty these days spending that type of coin. That’s basically what it’s gping to cost in after school care for little missmcq10 when she starts school in September
When I was kid free I wouldn’t have thought twice about it
Ciro_DiMarzio
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I'm all for reform to try and save the pubs. The only way it can happen is with a big reduction on the price of a pint. It will never get back to what it was mind.
dangermows
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You'd sup more.
Having kids put pay to my regular drinking sessions.
Costs a fortune going out. Spent two nights in Liverpool last week and spent the shy end of 250 quid for two nights boozing.
It’s not cheap and I always feel guilty these days spending that type of coin. That’s basically what it’s gping to cost in after school care for little missmcq10 when she starts school in September
When I was kid free I wouldn’t have thought twice about it
Depends on your type of night out. Get to a certain age and it's better just plonking your arse down in one or two good pubs, settling in and doing about ten pints in. That won't cost anywhere near 250 for two nights on it.
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JC22
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You’ve got to remember on top of the drinks costs there’s taxi fares, entry to clubs can sometime be excessive, people always have shots/spirits in town too. Prices can sharp add up. Can easily wax £100+ before sniff even comes into the picture.
On the flip side I frequent my local Wetherspoons now and again. It’s pretty reasonable in there. 1.60 or something for a pint of bud light.
dangermows
Striker
Just had a pint of Club Tropicana (£5.40, so drinks are definitely not free) by Tiny Rebel. Gotta keep the pubs alive.
Teed
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Thankfully I've never seen it, only know what I've read on here and hearing people talk where I worked, I've not watched telly for the best part of twenty year, other than the odd footy game, I have watched TV programmes, but they've been box sets, like the Wire and Breaking bad, I see snippets when I go into the kitchen, where the wife sits and watches her TV, but that's all crime shit, and that looks the same as it ever did, shite!
Right what you say though, I was always out doing stuff, even once I was married, I was never one for sitting holding hands watching crap, I'd be doing something, what grown men get out of soaps and love f***ing island is beyond me, I reckon somewhere along the road, someones had a piss in the gene pool..
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Pubs for me go hand in hand with the industrial revolution, as we now live in a post industrial Britain, pubs are finished, the ones that survive will probably be absolute belters though
The demise of pubs is down to a lot of things, including smoking ban, but I reckon its the hardcore customers now popping their clogs that is hitting them hard. I don't think the price is the problem some say it is, personally I think beer in pubs is expensive, especially compared to supermarkets etc but I know plenty of lads who dont have a lot of money to throw around but who when they go to the pub will think nothing of paying a fiver for a pint of craft keg. There are places now though that offer cheap as chips beer. I was in Huddersfield on Wednesday, pub called The Vulcan had a happy hour all day Wednesday, all real ales £2.30 a pint , and they were in good condition not the shite you might get in some dive
The demise of pubs is down to a lot of things, including smoking ban, but I reckon its the hardcore customers now popping their clogs that is hitting them hard. I don't think the price is the problem some say it is, personally I think beer in pubs is expensive, especially compared to supermarkets etc but I know plenty of lads who dont have a lot of money to throw around but who when they go to the pub will think nothing of paying a fiver for a pint of craft keg. There are places now though that offer cheap as chips beer. I was in Huddersfield on Wednesday, pub called The Vulcan had a happy hour all day Wednesday, all real ales £2.30 a pint , and they were in good condition not the shite you might get in some dive
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Al Bundy
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It’s an interesting point you make about the youth of today being more healthy.
The smoking ban has made a huge difference in lifestyle for many.
Thinking back to my days of late teens / early 20’s in comparison to today you can see lots of huge changes such as gyms , healthy eating , personal grooming etc.
All that sort of stuff that was pretty much unheard of when I was chucking back pint after pint in the Blue Bell most nights
Fred Secrets
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I had a few pints earlier. About 10 people in the pub, me being in the younger age group, in my 40s. I was on my last pint when some young one in her 20s comes into the pub with her tits hanging out of her top.
Typical.
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