the chinese are lying

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SAFCOldie said:
Playing the 10th man card, but what if the Chinese info is pretty accurate and we are all being played on the scale of this to their advantage in the long run ?
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Looking at the data objectively China is the HUGE outlier. According to data submitted by every democratic country, China is the preeminent example of hygienic perfection
raindog said:
FWIW the first human life in North America ie Native American Indians all came from Asia long before Europeans go there mostly from Siberia and China. And we all know what treatment they had to endure. It would make Human Rights in China today look like stroll around Alton Towers.

Fact is that its us Europeans that are the master race when it comes to raping pillaging slavery and human rights violations and we are not much better even today.

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And how far up the CCP ass does your tongue go?
 
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SAFCOldie said:
Playing the 10th man card, but what if the Chinese info is pretty accurate and we are all being played on the scale of this to their advantage in the long run ?
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There are lot of things that are "off" about this whole situation but certain theories go down like a lead balloon on here at the moment. I don't want to be banned so I'll keep my thoughts to myself at the moment.
taipeisafc said:
Not for a country with 1.4 billion people
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Fair enough, we're in agreement on that point then.
 
Heres a timeline of the Chinese cover up of the pandemic.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioningeight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

  • An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers mapthe new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insiststhere are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

  • The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
  • Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

  • The first case announced in South Korea.
  • Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
  • CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
  • China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
So the Chinese government couldn't cut through all that red tape in an instant and make people work round the clock for peanuts to knock out 300 ventilators for example?
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You are all over the place here, you say later on 300 ventilators is not a big deal for a country the size of China but here you seem to say china made people work round the clock for peanuts to make them. I have no idea what point you are trying to make
 
taipeisafc said:
You are all over the place here, you say later on 300 ventilators is not a big deal for a country the size of China but here you seem to say china made people work round the clock for peanuts to make them. I have no idea what point you are trying to make
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My point is that China donating 300 ventilators isn't a big deal/worthy of great praise as another poster seemed to be suggesting. They can knock out 300 of those easily, whether that's by making people work round the clock etc or not.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
My point is that China donating 300 ventilators isn't a big deal/worthy of great praise as another poster seemed to be suggesting. They can knock out 300 of those easily, whether that's by making people work round the clock etc or not.
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OK so countries shouldn't bother donating if they are big as they are just taking the piss by donating small amounts. FFS that is so petty it is unbelieveable - sounds like something Trump and co would spout.
taipeisafc said:
Taiwan?
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Anyone got an answer for Taiwan's numbers then? Or are they lying too? A country with extremely close links to China with hundreds of flights back and forth a week still showing very low numbers of both infections and deaths by dint of how they handle the virus with testing, tracking and tracing.
 
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Sinbad Skullhead said:
Heres a timeline of the Chinese cover up of the pandemic.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioningeight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

  • An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers mapthe new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insiststhere are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

  • The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
  • Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

  • The first case announced in South Korea.
  • Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
  • CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
  • China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.
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I suppose things could be worse, it might have originated in the states.
 
defunctdigits said:
I suppose things could be worse, it might have originated in the states.
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Give the CCP time. They will come up with "proof" that the adoring Marxists will lap right up.
Population Italy: 60 million
COVID-19 dead in Italy: 15,000+

Population PRC: 1.4 billion
COVID-19 dead in PRC: 3000+

Using Occam's Razor (Law of Parsimony), we discover that

1. CCP is incapable of counting, or
2. CCP is utterly incompetent, or
3. CCP is lying.
 
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ElGuapo said:
Give the CCP time. They will come up with "proof" that the adoring Marxists will lap right up.
Population Italy: 60 million
COVID-19 dead in Italy: 15,000+

Population PRC: 1.4 billion
COVID-19 dead in PRC: 3000+

Using Occam's Razor (Law of Parsimony), we discover that

1. CCP is incapable of counting, or
2. CCP is utterly incompetent, or
3. CCP is lying.
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Of course it does to the gullible; one's as bad as the other. Bit of a serious subject for bartering numbers like.
 
taipeisafc said:
OK so countries shouldn't bother donating if they are big as they are just taking the piss by donating small amounts. FFS that is so petty it is unbelieveable - sounds like something Trump and co would spout.


Anyone got an answer for Taiwan's numbers then? Or are they lying too? A country with extremely close links to China with hundreds of flights back and forth a week still showing very low numbers of both infections and deaths by dint of how they handle the virus with testing, tracking and tracing.
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Taiwan learnt from the SARS pandemic to not trust China and stopped all flights from China and ferries before Chinese new year.
 
Sinbad Skullhead said:
Heres a timeline of the Chinese cover up of the pandemic.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioningeight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

  • An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers mapthe new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insiststhere are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

  • The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
  • Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

  • The first case announced in South Korea.
  • Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
  • CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
  • China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.
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Absolutely right, the bottom line

It a disgrace, their actions early on will lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of people

even if you give them a slight allowance for not knowing what or how to deal with things on day 1, they;ve lied, covered up and not warned countries about the dangers

disgrace
 
The Rat said:
Absolutely right, the bottom line

It a disgrace, their actions early on will lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of people

even if you give them a slight allowance for not knowing what or how to deal with things on day 1, they;ve lied, covered up and not warned countries about the dangers

disgrace
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Pride comes before the fall. We are still in the infancy of this virus the experts are saying that now this established across the globe its gonna be around until a vaccine is produced. The thing thats really worrying is that it hasnt took hold in africa and india yet. There are 11 ventilators per 1 million people in India if the virus carries a 1% death rate in a developed country then +1% of 1.4 billion people and thats just India.
 
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