Discussion in 'SMB' started by The Lambton Worm, Mar 13, 2018.
Just don't cane me.
AEG used slave labour from Auschwitz as did several other well known German companies
So he was only obeying orders?
If trying to stop someone making a fool of themselves is what makes me a bellend then so be it.
Id hate to think what being a pretendy knowitall and resorting to name-calling makes someone though.
I'm not a pretend know-it-all though. I've not pretended to know everything in this thread, and have been entirely open, throughout the thread, to the opinions of others.
In fact, I don't know that on other threads. I may be stubborn in some of my opinions, but I do not pretend to know everything and I am open when I believe I am incorrect.
You weren't trying to stop me making a 'fool' of myself at all, don't pretend this was some kind act
You started it all by saying my posts should be ignored and that I was an embarrassment. You're welcome to believe that if you wish. I'd rather discuss with people open to discussion. You're not.
To some degree, were they all not obeying orders? Like was discussed earlier some high ranking Nazis used that defence. If a soldier is given the choice of disobeying orders or committing a war crime, what can you expect them to do? I am unsure as to what the punishment would be if they refused.
I cannot be sure he was just following orders. In some ways it seems like he was, the opinions of others suggest that he had some true belief in what he was being asked to do, up to a point.
Nazi fuck rot in hell !
It's just that the legal arguments around using orders as a defence were exhausted at Nuremberg in the 1940s
I'd go along with that like.
He's being stubborn but I think it's unfair to suggest he's being a "knowitall", I think he's been pretty open with the fact that he's not familiar with the details but is trying to apply some general logic and principles to the situation. The position he is taking pretty reasonable in principle. We should be very careful of condemning those who took part in a war of this nature. It's a position that thankfully none of us have ever been in, and you would be amazed at what you can get ordinary people to do under these circumstances (see Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning).
When I first saw this story a year or two back, I held a similar position as a starting point. However, I also didn't know enough about SS recruitment, which I think is key to this. It's highly likely that you are not an "ordinary man" if you join the SS. It's at this point that he's being stubborn - he should really step back from the discussion and go away and learn more about that instead of continuing to argue his point.
Was at the Topografie de Terror last year. Horrifying and mind blowing at the same time.
This fundamental point about the banality of evil seems to have been lost despite being the most important lesson of the era. People can be whipped up, and their more extreme elements can be effectively radicalised, by a number of factors that can happen even in sophisticated societies. People have put their heads in the sand and (ironically) the old stereotypes have been allowed to creep in that it's foreign or some sort of "other" elements that you have to watch out for, when the real danger is the erosion of the principles and structures that keep civilisation civilised - which is happening under our noses
To be fair I have done that, and acknowledged to those posters that have an ounce of respect that my lack of knowledge on a specific point undermines the rest of the argument.
Ffs frijj go and read up on this. After the war, shocked by what people could do to each other while blaming their superiors they did the electric shock test.
It is not a defense.
I’m aware of who Stanley Milgram is and his work Cat.
I don’t see your point though.
This is your first interaction with young frijj isn't it mate?
It isn’t actually. He does catch on fast though
I tend to just leave him to it to be honest but see how he talks to others so enough awareness of who he is
Was finding it all just too cringy yesterday though so had to try and help the poor lad out with some sage advice.
You've got a better memory than me then mate. Can't remember any particular exchange in the past like.
People criticising former SS concentration camp staff, bloody virtue signallers.
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