Sunderland Medical School?

Lankester Merrin said:
Most people who have debated the NHS on here will know they I have very strong views about how few people from the North East become Drs

How would people feel about Sunderland bidding for a medical school? What if there was a campaign to develop one alongside the City of Culture bid?

Could they cure Jan Kirchoff?
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Linked to Sunderland Uni or stand alone? The Uni's on the bones of its arse finance wise, I understand.

anth said:
Student doctors from Newcastle do go out to hospitals and primary care facilities all over the north, sunderland hospital getting a large percentage so I am not sure what having a medical school at sunderland uni would achieve other than being something like Durham where the teaching is at that campus but the course as a whole is managed by Newcastle. Students do get to select where they want to go so local student doctors can go to local hospitals and practices.
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It's about increasing the total number of training places, not just having students train in the city.
 


Sir Lancelot said:
If Durham couldn't keep theirs then there is no chance for Sunderland. Besides if a student can't even get on the metro to Newcastle then should they really be doctors?

In a perfect world, it would be a brilliant thing, but standards would need to be set extremely high for admission to maintain standards and none of this pc claptrap.
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Durham and Newcastle are well placed to squeeze the life out of any such plan.

You'd have to set up a medical school from scratch as opposed to expanding the existing ones.

More chance of setting up a Rocket Science Institute in South Shields
 
Lankester Merrin said:
It's the timing

The UK is short of Drs, and post Brexit the government wants to reduce the reliance on foreign Drs. The government wants private medical schools to fill the gap, but there aren't enough coming forward, and anything which makes medicine more socially decisive makes things worse for the North East, not better.

It's a really strong idea. It just needs some real political nous to make it happen. That is the bit I am unsure about



It would be as well as Newcastle not instead

The North East built an infrastructure for medical teaching when Tees/Durham opened. The absorbtion of Durham back in Newcastle was bad news for the other NE Trusts, most of which would be positive.

The CE at Sunderland Hospitals is a good bloke. He needs to be able to make the internal politics work
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Try and get one of our useless MPs on board. Get in touch with the Sunderland bid and 2021 team and the Uni.
 
Sir Lancelot said:
If Durham couldn't keep theirs then there is no chance for Sunderland. Besides if a student can't even get on the metro to Newcastle then should they really be doctors?

In a perfect world, it would be a brilliant thing, but standards would need to be set extremely high for admission to maintain standards and none of this pc claptrap.
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Durham has been ruined by the all powerful University.
 
Would be a great coup for the city and the university and the wider region if @Lankester Merrin put such plans into place but I can't see Sunderland getting a medical school.

To be a total dick, it has neither the infrastructure or academic standing to provide a medical school at present.
 
Sir Lancelot said:
If Durham couldn't keep theirs then there is no chance for Sunderland. Besides if a student can't even get on the metro to Newcastle then should they really be doctors?

In a perfect world, it would be a brilliant thing, but standards would need to be set extremely high for admission to maintain standards and none of this pc claptrap.
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With respect, you dont have the knowledge of the admissions to or demographics of higher education to pass such a comment and as per usual, you're letting your little biases come out.
 
Frijj said:
With respect, you dont have the knowledge of the admissions to or demographics of higher education to pass such a comment and as per usual, you're letting your little biases come out.
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A Doctor should be the best and brightest of their generation. There are huge numbers of people who meet that specification without trawling the streets and lowering standards out of some kind of affirmative action. You and your loved ones may be happy to be treated by a substandard doctor, I'm not.
 
Sir Lancelot said:
A Doctor should be the best and brightest of their generation. There are huge numbers of people who meet that specification without trawling the streets and lowering standards out of some kind of affirmative action. You and your loved ones may be happy to be treated by a substandard doctor, I'm not.
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The doctors wouldn't be substandard. Some of the students admitted would have potentially lower grades than their peers but once on the course they aren't treat any differently.

Medicine, as @Lankester Merrin will strongly attest, is becoming even more a profession for white, middle class girls from the South of England.

There's nothing wrong with those girls at all but it's the reason deprived areas, particularly in the North, struggle with recruitment and retention of quality doctors.

Medicine is a closed shop to many very able students from deprived areas who underachieve due in part to their circumstances.

You may be horrified to learn that Newcastle medical school have ran a similar scheme up to at least 2010 as someone in the year above me when to Newcastle medical school with reduced grades

I am telling you openly and honestly and without prejudice based on our previous interactions

- the intake of medical students is far too homogenous
- it excludes able but underachieving students from deprived areas
- the doctors wouldn't be substandard because they'd be judged during their degree the same as anyone else
 
Hammer said:
Linked to Sunderland Uni or stand alone? The Uni's on the bones of its arse finance wise, I understand.



It's about increasing the total number of training places, not just having students train in the city.
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The Uni already has Nursing and Pharmacy. The Medical School would build on that?

Frijj said:
The doctors wouldn't be substandard. Some of the students admitted would have potentially lower grades than their peers but once on the course they aren't treat any differently.

Medicine, as @Lankester Merrin will strongly attest, is becoming even more a profession for white, middle class girls from the South of England.

There's nothing wrong with those girls at all but it's the reason deprived areas, particularly in the North, struggle with recruitment and retention of quality doctors.

Medicine is a closed shop to many very able students from deprived areas who underachieve due in part to their circumstances.

You may be horrified to learn that Newcastle medical school have ran a similar scheme up to at least 2010 as someone in the year above me when to Newcastle medical school with reduced grades

I am telling you openly and honestly and without prejudice based on our previous interactions

- the intake of medical students is far too homogenous
- it excludes able but underachieving students from deprived areas
- the doctors wouldn't be substandard because they'd be judged during their degree the same as anyone else
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People need to get there head round the fact that the qualities which make someone a great Dr aren't necessarily the qualities that medical schools look for when they make admissions. Too many people get top grades, go all the way through medical school and then fall apart when they get into an A&E dpt

We need to broaden the intake of medical schools so that we pick people who are going to make it in the real world of medicine, rather than picking an homogenous group of posh people from Surrey.
 
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