What did Adrian Chiles call him yesterday ....' Churlish'
What did Roy Keane say 'he's blaming the wrong person' or something to that effect.
Sound familiar
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What did Adrian Chiles call him yesterday ....' Churlish'
What did Roy Keane say 'he's blaming the wrong person' or something to that effect.
Sound familiar
Maravilla
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Of course. Everyone's fault but Bruce's, always has been and always will be.
I was wrong and admitted it, you were wrong and tried to deflect from it, AND compounded it with arrogance. Simple as that.
No wonder you're a fan of FGB, you've picked up on all his techniques when he was wrong as well
Kingdom Bhoy
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Exactly Doubtfire moaning out about Arsenals first two goals in his post match interview yesterday the man has no class.
Where was I wrong and as for arrogance all I did was quote what you said to me right back at you?I was wrong and admitted it, you were wrong and tried to deflect from it, AND compounded it with arrogance. Simple as that.
No wonder you're a fan of FGB, you've picked up on all his techniques when he was wrong as well
Once again your talking rubbish.
You said we were in worse positions under both Keane and O'Neill, when in fact we were in exactly the same position under O'Neill. Your arrogance comes from this entire thread talking down to anyone who says anything negative towards FGB.
We were in a worse position as I've highlighted already.Fuckin hell this is hard work on a Sunday.
So I'm arrogant because I believe Bruce to have a point in regards to his time here yet people who subscribe to your way of thinking aren't?
Called an opinion Bonny lad.Dont confuse it with arrogance.A trait you wonderfully illustrated with your condescending post regarding our position at time of Bruce sacking!
Simple my friend - refuse to talk about Sunderland it's the past its history lets it go I am hulls manager, as most managers do.
Reidy upset a lot of people with his stubbornness during the latter days of his tenure and by the time he went most agreed it was the right time.
Only mad management made by the club hierarchy made it the wrong time.
He received greater abuse than Bruce ever did (and i don't condone it) but took it as passionate fans frustrations. When he left it was finished ...he has only talked positively about the club ( which after all would have made him very rich as it did Bruce) everyone has moved on and rightly choose to remember the achievements. He now has a great legacy to look back on and enjoy.
By now the the majority of people would be reminiscing over that great team Bruce had with Bent etc... Even though he blew it Sunderland fans always remember the great teams...
...But not in this case. It was the fans fault when he lost a game as a manager and its been the fans fault ever since...
..As a 50 odd year old bloke who has been to almost every home game since I was 8 no manager has annoyed me like Bruce and no argument you put forward will alter that feeling.
Because what Mr Bruce does not understand is that his comments over the last few years tar everyone, even people who have no hang ups with Geordies or fat people and don't do abuse.
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To be fair you put across a decent argument however I totally disagree with Reid copping more flak than Bruce and certainly not personal abuse either.
Bruce had known nothing other than sweetness snd light really throughout his playing and management career until it went belly up here and I don't think he knew how to handle it and to be honest he shouldn't have to either.
no wonder daleks can't get up stairs!
What about it? Like I said he never claimed it to be the main reason just that it didn't help.
Thanks for highlighting it I suppose.
Talking down to people you don't agree with, point proven.
So O'Neill had 8 games to go, Bruce had nearly 30, on both occasions we were going down if they stayed. That's my opinion and you have yours. I'll also back my opinion up with some facts. FGB had been on an 11 month crap run, he had clearly lost the confidence of the players and that defeat against a Wigan side that couldn't buy a point at that time showed his position to be untenable. I'm afraid you haven't offered any reason why we were wrong to sack him when we did, other than citing the abuse he received to be unjust.
Calling you Bonny lad is talking down to you??
That's fuck all compared to what Bruce had and you want him to take it on one of his many chins?
Words fail me.
Obviously Havnt read my posts properly as I have said time and time again it was the right time for Bruce to go but like every manager he felt hard done by and gave his excuses. One of which was his roots which were backed up by the chants but he never said that was the soul reason.
You only have to look at tim Sherwood as a a manager who will put his case across (59% win ratio best in Tottenham prem league history) while conveniently not mentioning he also hold the clubs worst loss percentage too! Trust me the excuses aren't just exclusive to everyone's favourite fat Geordie!
All fans not just ours only choose to concentrate on what they feel affects them and nothing else never looking outside of that I'm afraid.
supernaut1968
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Considering the mistakes he was making, I'm surprised the fans stayed quiet for so long. There were plenty moaning at the matches at half time and before the games about his tactics, transfers, subs, selling Gyan and Bent and eventually it spilled out onto the terraces.
I only have one memory of his time with us and it was watching him from 10 yards away as he stared at his feet wondering how he was going to change the game and simply not having a clue.
He'd lost it long before the fans lost faith in him.
Might well be a decent bloke, but the way he;s gone on about us in the press just makes him sound like a bitter old woman.
I only have one memory of his time with us and it was watching him from 10 yards away as he stared at his feet wondering how he was going to change the game and simply not having a clue.
He'd lost it long before the fans lost faith in him.
Might well be a decent bloke, but the way he;s gone on about us in the press just makes him sound like a bitter old woman.
chopsfc007
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answering questions asked and bitter as many on here are
supernaut1968
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Maravilla
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I was a bit further away, but it was precisely that which made me want him gone after we lost 3-2 to West Brom towards the end of the 2010/11 season. After being 2-1 up at half-time we made a pretty poor West Brom side look like 1970 Brazil in the 2nd half and Bruce didn't have the first idea of how to change it.
Given the dreadful results, poor performances and Bruce's increasingly pathetic excuses over 9 months, the patience the fans inside the ground showed towards him was remarkable.
Definitely Maybe
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You keep saying you're here to debate but it's pretty pointless as you seem completely unwilling. People are making well reasoned points but you come back with your stock rhetoric every time.
You are right, Bruce has never uttered the words "Ellis Short sacked me purely because I'm a Geordie," although I'm not sure anyone has claimed otherwise? To date though it is the ONLY reason he has given - that the crowd turned on him because of his roots and Short sacked him because of that. You say he hasn't claimed it to be the main reason but he hasn't given any other reasons, so surely when he says "Make no mistake, the Geordie thing came into play" when talking about the reason for his sacking you can understand why it would be interpreted in that way?
To say he has only ever known "sweetness and light" in his career is hilariously sycophantic, but more so laughable when a) he is disliked by every set of clubs he's managed bar Hull, and b) he rattled off a list of clubs he's been abused at less than a month ago. The list was us, West Brom, Liverpool and Birmingham iirc. Man City and Wigan fans chanted abusive songs at him at the SOL, he told a story about being abused by Mags in the street and the pub when he manager here and was abused when Birmingham, Wigan and Hull played at SJP.
You say he was hounded for months - my recollection is that there were Bruce Out chants when West Brom went 2-0 up in the October which were drowned out by supportive cheers. He was cheered and had his name chanted by the away end when we played Bolton at the end of October. I heard faint Bruce out chants at the end of the Fulham home game, then the Fat Geordie Bastard song when Wigan scored the winner in his final game. Bearing in mind Wigan scored in the 94th minute, there is actually a video on YouTube showing the chant starting just after Wigan score and ends as it starts to die down. The video is 90 seconds long...
You mention Tim Sherwood's excuses - he was booed during Ledley King's testimonial.
You also say that Bruce has only ever commented on us when asked and was gracious after the 3 games this season. He mentioned us and the 'abuse' unprompted in a post match interview on Sky at the start of the season for starters and whilst I do know how the press works, neither of us have the full transcript of the numerous interviews and press conferences that he's mentioned us in. After the cup game he said words to the effect of "We've beaten Sunderland 3 times and they're in the relegation zone. Ha ha." Gracious as ever.
It's funny because he was challenged on his comments on Goals on Sunday just after his abuse tales started to appear and backtracked like fuck, blamed the Chronicle for misquoting him and said it was pressure from the press rather than fan abuse. It's funny how these quotes keep appearing so much for someone who was 'misquoted?'
Maravilla
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Fantastic post.
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