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Rafa. He's still not happy

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Sorry, I'm having a hard time processing this. In a straight choice between Rafa Benitez
Honours

Manager

Valencia


  • : ,
  • :
Liverpool

  • :
  • :
  • :
  • :
Inter Milan

  • :
  • :
Chelsea

  • :
Napoli

  • :
  • Supercoppa Italiana:
Newcastle United

  • :
Individual

  • : 2002
  • : 2003–04, 2004–05
  • : 2005
  • : 2006[]
  • : November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013
  • : October 2016[]
And Simon Grayson


(sorry, according to Wiki and transfermarkt.co.uk there's nothing to go here)

You'd choose the latter?

So Rafa only won EFL manager of the month once last season ?
Grayson will win it at least twice this
 

Whilst we are not in a position to mock and gloat, at the same time all is not well and I can genuinely see Rafa leaving.

When the season had finished, a host of names were linked. Granted agents and media guessing and trying to force stories but a Benitez at his other clubs may have got a couple of them. At Newcastle he got non. The reason for this is either funds or lack of ambition



This list in comical and this from their own lot and explains why they get so much grief on here.

To see this list and to see who they have got, I can understand Benitez going but this is possibly his last chance as I cant see many clubs taking a gamble on him. Is it a case of stay or go?
If West Ham had came in for him ,he would have been gone from the Wonga dome in the early summer.
 
I dreamt last night that they'd signed CR7 on loan. Looked like a right wanker in B&W.
 
Grayson being appointed smacks to me of budget squeezes and ship steadying, can't disagree with that. My only worry is being down and staying down - plenty of big clubs have sunk never to return, Blackburn are in league one ffs!

Leeds being a perennial championship side is fabulous however :lol:

Blackburn arnt a big club and never really have been. They are championship at best
 
100 million beans in just over a year is not a modest sum. Graysons spent 1.25 mil man.
£33.12m + £57.38m does not equal £100m
I was obviously talking about this summer's transfer expenditure.

Apart from that, your post is bang on.

Grayson being appointed smacks to me of budget squeezes and ship steadying, can't disagree with that. My only worry is being down and staying down - plenty of big clubs have sunk never to return, Blackburn are in league one ffs!

Leeds being a perennial championship side is fabulous however :lol:

You'll not go down man. Grayson is a decent Championship manager and you've got sufficient quality in key areas to be comfortably better than the relegated sides.

So Rafa only won EFL manager of the month once last season ?
Grayson will win it at least twice this

:lol:

:rolleyes::lol: what a load of absolute chod
"fwiwi"
Your opinion is worth nowt on here
What do you disagree with?
 
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£33.12m + £57.38m does not equal £100m
I was obviously talking about this summer's transfer expenditure.

Apart from that, your post is bang on.



You'll not go down man. Grayson is a decent Championship manager and you've got sufficient quality in key areas to be comfortably better than the relegated sides.



:lol:
O.k 91 million but am sure Rafa will spend more before the window shuts so it will more than likely be over 100 million so point still stands.
 
Blackburn arnt a big club and never really have been. They are championship at best

Won the PL and used to do reasonably well, they're hardly a shitey small club in fairness, they have been properly run into the ground now though, we all moan about how SAFC has been run, imagine if some fucker like that Venkey lot got their hands on the club! :eek:

My point is that plenty of teams have gone down the pan never to return, Leeds are another example, I hate those kernts with a passion but they were a well established PL club and nowadays they've been in league one more recently than the premier league (hopefully they never return). Not everybody gets to bounce back right away, or even at all.
 
O.k 91 million but am sure Rafa will spend more before the window shuts so it will more than likely be over 100 million so point still stands.
Well that will be Benitez's gross spend over the course of three windows. One window delivered an immediate automatic promotion. This one will be intended to deliver safety. And to do that with a £20m net spend over 3 windows is fine by me.

I'm totally comfortable with him spending £50m to keep us at the Premier League money trough. Should mean that he won't need to next season, unless our owner suddenly discovers some ambition, at which point the expenditure has to reflect that raised bar.
 
Won the PL and used to do reasonably well, they're hardly a shitey small club in fairness, they have been properly run into the ground now though, we all moan about how SAFC has been run, imagine if some fucker like that Venkey lot got their hands on the club! :eek:

My point is that plenty of teams have gone down the pan never to return, Leeds are another example, I hate those kernts with a passion but they were a well established PL club and nowadays they've been in league one more recently than the premier league (hopefully they never return). Not everybody gets to bounce back right away, or even at all.
Leeds have spent more season outside the top flight tan in it so you could argue they're where they should be.
 
Sorry, I'm having a hard time processing this. In a straight choice between Rafa Benitez
Honours

Manager

Valencia


  • : ,
  • :
Liverpool

  • :
  • :
  • :
  • :
Inter Milan

  • :
  • :
Chelsea

  • :
Napoli

  • :
  • Supercoppa Italiana:
Newcastle United

  • :
Individual

  • : 2002
  • : 2003–04, 2004–05
  • : 2005
  • : 2006[]
  • : November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013
  • : October 2016[]
And Simon Grayson


(sorry, according to Wiki and transfermarkt.co.uk there's nothing to go here)

You'd choose the latter?

For where we are right now I would. Grayson has form for putting together a competitive team on a limited budget which is what we require. Rafa would only want millions that we don't have so I really wouldn't want him. And you have missed off the three promotions that Grayson has had. Tad unfair.
 
Well that will be Benitez's gross spend over the course of three windows. One window delivered an immediate automatic promotion. This one will be intended to deliver safety. And to do that with a £20m net spend over 3 windows is fine by me.

I'm totally comfortable with him spending £50m to keep us at the Premier League money trough. Should mean that he won't need to next season, unless our owner suddenly discovers some ambition, at which point the expenditure has to reflect that raised bar.
Net spend f***ing blah blah blah.......couldn't give a toss about net spend any manager (let alone a world class one) spending 100 million in a year should have a team easily in the top 10. Should be no excuses for him this season.
 
Won the PL and used to do reasonably well, they're hardly a shitey small club in fairness, they have been properly run into the ground now though, we all moan about how SAFC has been run, imagine if some fucker like that Venkey lot got their hands on the club! :eek:

My point is that plenty of teams have gone down the pan never to return, Leeds are another example, I hate those kernts with a passion but they were a well established PL club and nowadays they've been in league one more recently than the premier league (hopefully they never return). Not everybody gets to bounce back right away, or even at all.

Blackburn had brief success cos they were the richest club in the country for a couple of seasons. Gibson tried to do the same at Boro. Neither are big clubs. Leicester winning the league two years ago doesn't make them a big club , likewise Wigan winning the FA Cup
 
i might add also they will never ever beat us 6 in a row and im sure it sticks right in their throat ..gerrrin ya black n white shits

Can't say that for certain can we!? They might do it one day, f***ing hope not like, but if we both end up in the same league for an extended period again it could happen
 
Leeds have spent more season outside the top flight tan in it so you could argue they're where they should be.

You could . They are still a big club though certainly the biggest in Yorkshire despite the efforts of Huddersfield and Hull .We will see this in a couple weeks when they bring thousands up to the SOL
 
Well we'll see how he does this season without an eye raising budget. I'm sure he'll be applauded for his ability should we stay up despite spending a fairly modest sum.

fwiwi I think Grayson is a good appointment for you at the minute, but I don't think he'll be able to get you back up in the next couple of seasons and so will likely be replaced.
Aye aye :oops:
 
You're quibbling over whether he's called "good" or "f***ing good" ? Good grief.

Thing is, should he keep us up, wherever we finish will be not impressive to some Sunderland fans on here. Say we finish comfortably on 42pts I predict the following excuses "he spent a fortune", "league was easier this season", "It's just momentum, all promoted champions have it", "they got lucky with injuries/fixtures/purple path". Benitez would get little if any credit. Just like last season's Championship title victory is being dismissed as "Limping to promotion", "Spent the most*", "pub league" etc.

It's daft man, he's clearly a very good manager and I guarantee he wouldn't get the criticism he does on here if he was bang average.

:lol: Personally I think he IS a good manager and I think he will get you around 40 points if he stays all season. A 'f***ing good' manager would take any shower of shit to mid-table security by March, we'll see? He has a perfect opportunity to show everyone how good he actually is when not inheriting a top 4 squad with a top 4 budget.

It's the general whining and getting his excuses in early that is comical. Moyes, to a degree, did the same thing. The fact that 95% of you lot just can't see through it just ups the ante in the comedy stakes

If he gets top 10 (with current squad) and breaks 50 points then I'm sure plenty of people on here would say "fair enough".

Coming on an SAFC forum and complaining that people are biased against their local rivals and refuse to give Rafa any credit is really bemusing and short sighted. What kind of 'banter' do you, as a Mag, really expect from SAFC fans??

If you walked in a Sunderland bar on match day with your Mag top on and started spouting your shite (above) then what would you really expect to happen? Why would the response be any different online?

And yes, he's good, not f***ing good:D:D
 
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