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Rafa. He's still not happy

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Friendly Fire said:
He was appointed in March and had no involvement in any transfers. We were unbeaten in the last 6 games. We were relegated because of what happened before he came although the games at Norwich and Villa were desparately disappointing.

Your result against Chelsea was bizarre and Everton should have been fined for their non performance.

Let's see how our 2 clubs do this year, par performance for me would be for us just to stop up and you to finish 8-10th.
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That was a typo. I meant Newcastle spent money to stay up and Rafa failed, I didn't mean that Rafa spent the money himself.

Who was in charge for the derby at SJP in March 2016? Lets not forget, Rafa had matches against Villa, Norwich and Sunderland (all teams around them) if you had won any of those 3 games you would have survived. He failed to win any of them.

I don't buy this bollocks that "It was all McClaren's fault" and "Rafa had no chance" look at some of the managers that have kept us up Paolo Di Canio, Gus Poyet, Dick Advocaat. It's not impossible or too much for a manager to come in and save a team from relegation. Face facts, he had enough time to keep youse up and he didn't/
 
What A Waster said:
I think on Sunday we will get comfortably beaten by Spurs. Runners up last season, vs newly promoted team that hasn't done much strengthening. Nailed on Spurs win.
Could even be so soundly beaten that we are bottom of the league after the first weekend.

If we somehow manage to win, and play well, how will Ashley react? I think that would strengthen his case for not signing more players. Nee danger of us winning though.
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He'd hit the roof cos he's a Spurs fan:lol::lol:
 
Laidback Jack said:
That was a typo. I meant Newcastle spent money to stay up and Rafa failed, I didn't mean that Rafa spent the money himself.

Who was in charge for the derby at SJP in March 2016? Lets not forget, Rafa had matches against Villa, Norwich and Sunderland (all teams around them) if you had won any of those 3 games you would have survived. He failed to win any of them.

I don't buy this bollocks that "It was all McClaren's fault" and "Rafa had no chance" look at some of the managers that have kept us up Paolo Di Canio, Gus Poyet, Dick Advocaat. It's not impossible or too much for a manager to come in and save a team from relegation. Face facts, he had enough time to keep youse up and he didn't/
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One season is different to the next though. Different circumstances, teams around you performing differently. In 15/16 Arsenal got 71 points and finished 2nd. In 16/17 they got 75 and finished 5th.
In the season Benitez took over he had 10 games to turn it round. He failed to prevent a nailed on relegation under McClaren. The team was averaging 0.89 points per game under McClaren, under Benitez it finished with 1.2ppg.
He clearly improved things but it took too long for the improvements to have an effect. Had the board appointed him before the Bournemouth game he'd have likely kept us up. It is what it is. We went down under McClaren and Benitez, then got promoted, and now here we are.
 
What A Waster said:
One season is different to the next though. Different circumstances, teams around you performing differently. In 15/16 Arsenal got 71 points and finished 2nd. In 16/17 they got 75 and finished 5th.
In the season Benitez took over he had 10 games to turn it round. He failed to prevent a nailed on relegation under McClaren. The team was averaging 0.89 points per game under McClaren, under Benitez it finished with 1.2ppg.
He clearly improved things but it took too long for the improvements to have an effect. Had the board appointed him before the Bournemouth game he'd have likely kept us up. It is what it is. We went down under McClaren and Benitez, then got promoted, and now here we are.
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Newcastle beat Spurs away and then Liverpool at home in successive games before christmas, probably kept McLaren in his post for a fair while longer than he should have been. The run of results after these games was catastrophic.
 
Sir Tasker said:
Newcastle beat Spurs away and then Liverpool at home in successive games before christmas, probably kept McLaren in his post for a fair while longer than he should have been. The run of results after these games was catastrophic.
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Totally agree. After those two games we had Villa and Everton at home, and got one point.
That 3 week break after Chelsea away was the time to swing the axe. Kept him for Bournemouth and Stoke.
 
What A Waster said:
One season is different to the next though. Different circumstances, teams around you performing differently. In 15/16 Arsenal got 71 points and finished 2nd. In 16/17 they got 75 and finished 5th.
In the season Benitez took over he had 10 games to turn it round. He failed to prevent a nailed on relegation under McClaren. The team was averaging 0.89 points per game under McClaren, under Benitez it finished with 1.2ppg.
He clearly improved things but it took too long for the improvements to have an effect. Had the board appointed him before the Bournemouth game he'd have likely kept us up. It is what it is. We went down under McClaren and Benitez, then got promoted, and now here we are.
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Don't think it was nailed on at all. The difference between 0.9 points a game and 1.2 game is nothing at all over 10 games, it's 3 points. It's hardly water into wine stuff.

Like I said, Benitez had ample opportunity to get points against Sunderland, Norwich or Villa. There were 9 points there and he only got 2.

As you say, you are here now. Would be interesting to see how he would do over the next season. I have a feeling though that Rafa can see the writing is on the wall. He's only a decent manager not amazing and with a poor squad, no money and a board that doesn't back him - he'll jump ship before things get tough
 
Laidback Jack said:
Don't think it was nailed on at all. The difference between 0.9 points a game and 1.2 game is nothing at all over 10 games, it's 3 points. It's hardly water into wine stuff.

Like I said, Benitez had ample opportunity to get points against Sunderland, Norwich or Villa. There were 9 points there and he only got 2.

As you say, you are here now. Would be interesting to see how he would do over the next season. I have a feeling though that Rafa can see the writing is on the wall. He's only a decent manager not amazing and with a poor squad, no money and a board that doesn't back him - he'll jump ship before things get tough
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Maybe over 10 games its nothing, but over the course of the season 34 points versus 45.
The improvement was clearly there from a dispirited broken squad. If he'd arrived two games earlier who knows.

For what its worth I don't expect him to last the season either. Promises have been made and not been delivered, as per the Ashley way of operating.
 
What A Waster said:
One season is different to the next though. Different circumstances, teams around you performing differently. In 15/16 Arsenal got 71 points and finished 2nd. In 16/17 they got 75 and finished 5th.
In the season Benitez took over he had 10 games to turn it round. He failed to prevent a nailed on relegation under McClaren. The team was averaging 0.89 points per game under McClaren, under Benitez it finished with 1.2ppg.
He clearly improved things but it took too long for the improvements to have an effect. Had the board appointed him before the Bournemouth game he'd have likely kept us up. It is what it is. We went down under McClaren and Benitez, then got promoted, and now here we are.
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Yes but surely you shouldn't consider the final nonentity of a game between a demoralised Spurs who had just lost the league and had no interest in playing that Sunday, and an already relegated Newcastle. If you take Benitez's points per game for relevant matches where there was something to play for his ppg was 1.1. Not much of an improvement really and four of those games were against the worst teams in the league (Palace,Norwich,Sunderland,Villa). I can't understand why most Newcastle fans don't realise or admit that Benitez did a really poor job for Newcastle in those nine games.
 
rebelsafc said:
Yes but surely you shouldn't consider the final nonentity of a game between a demoralised Spurs who had just lost the league and had no interest in playing that Sunday, and an already relegated Newcastle. If you take Benitez's points per game for relevant matches where there was something to play for his ppg was 1.1. Not much of an improvement really and four of those games were against the worst teams in the league (Palace,Norwich,Sunderland,Villa). I can't understand why most Newcastle fans don't realise or admit that Benitez did a really poor job for Newcastle in those nine games.
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What did everton and chelsea have to play for when you's played them?
Certain games feature sides "on the beach". It happens. But they still count towards the final totals.
The constant discrediting on here of Benitez makes it look like Allardyce didn't actually do a good job, and it was all down to the poor job Benitez done as to why Sunderland stayed up.
I thought Benitez made improvements at Newcastle but Allardyce was 20 games into the job by the time he arrived, and Allardyce, according to some on here, had Sunderland flying.
If that's the case,then Benitez doing a bad job makes Allardyce's work look irrelevant.
 
What A Waster said:
One season is different to the next though. Different circumstances, teams around you performing differently. In 15/16 Arsenal got 71 points and finished 2nd. In 16/17 they got 75 and finished 5th.
In the season Benitez took over he had 10 games to turn it round. He failed to prevent a nailed on relegation under McClaren. The team was averaging 0.89 points per game under McClaren, under Benitez it finished with 1.2ppg.
He clearly improved things but it took too long for the improvements to have an effect. Had the board appointed him before the Bournemouth game he'd have likely kept us up. It is what it is. We went down under McClaren and Benitez, then got promoted, and now here we are.
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You're including the dead-rubber match against Spurs. :lol:
 
Friendly Fire said:
He was appointed in March and had no involvement in any transfers. We were unbeaten in the last 6 games. We were relegated because of what happened before he came although the games at Norwich and Villa were desparately disappointing.

Your result against Chelsea was bizarre and Everton should have been fined for their non performance.

Let's see how our 2 clubs do this year, par performance for me would be for us just to stop up and you to finish 8-10th.
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If that's the case then Crystal Palace should be demoted to non-league .......

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Laidback Jack said:
That was a typo. I meant Newcastle spent money to stay up and Rafa failed, I didn't mean that Rafa spent the money himself.

Who was in charge for the derby at SJP in March 2016? Lets not forget, Rafa had matches against Villa, Norwich and Sunderland (all teams around them) if you had won any of those 3 games you would have survived. He failed to win any of them.

I don't buy this bollocks that "It was all McClaren's fault" and "Rafa had no chance" look at some of the managers that have kept us up Paolo Di Canio, Gus Poyet, Dick Advocaat. It's not impossible or too much for a manager to come in and save a team from relegation. Face facts, he had enough time to keep youse up and he didn't/
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Whilst you're more or less spot on in what you're saying, a win against villa, instead of a draw would still have seen them relegated on goal difference.
 
Dodgy said:
Whilst you're more or less spot on in what you're saying, a win against villa, instead of a draw would still have seen them relegated on goal difference.
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A Newcastle win would've put massive pressure on Sunderland so anything could've happened.

We walked out, against Everton, knowing the job was almost done ..... it was a party.
 
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