Put a flat earthier into space

[3.142]

black or white.
They are used because absorption and reflection of all waves of the spectrum and create that effect to our senses.

What makes the colours we see? The commonly accepted and proven wavelengths and frequencies, or something else?

 

[legend7]

Yes. It's because of pressures.
The pressure are because of push and resistace to push.
From dense to less dense environment.
Less dense is always up in a natural state unless massive energy s offered to alter that temporarily.

No problem.

Offer your own. No need to babysit dataguy, he's capable of answering for himself.

Quite easy to be fair.
It just makes it easier to keep these replies to a minimum because they offer nothing but teet for tat which gains nothing.
It's why I generally ignore .

Why is less dense always up.
I wonder what has more of an effect to pull these things towards the earth

 

[Kevj]

Why is less dense always up.
I wonder what has more of an effect to pull these things towards the earth

Why would an object move through ever increasing density air? It would offer more resistance.

 

[TheDataGuy]

Why would an object move through ever increasing density air? It would offer more resistance.

What you are ignoring though is layers and the dense mass displacement that causing a crush downwards along with the important (crucial) potential energy that is provided as the object is lifted above the ground via a grounding resistor.

It's all about the dense mass displacement (minus volume) and natural stacking.

 

[legend7]

black or white.
They are used because absorption and reflection of all waves of the spectrum and create that effect to our senses.

So light is in waves now.
I thought you said it wasn't
I'm pretty sure I'm on ignore.
Did we ever get an answer as to why our vision of things disappearing downwards at distance isn't ever changing with all of the disruption to the stacking in say the bottom 20m of atmosphere densities.

 

[Nobby]

Why would an object move through ever increasing density air? It would offer more resistance.

Er GRAVITY

 

[Kevj]

Er GRAVITY

Peel my molecules.

 

[Nobby]

Peel my molecules.

If I do you'll never resist my vibration superfluid friction

 

[Kevj]

If I do you'll never resist my vibration superfluid friction

That’s is just one simple observation.

(Nukey-bingo. Page 413)

 

[fyl2u]

Which way is up and down to you?

Up and down to me are the directions gravity tells me they are.

Down is the direction gravity is pulling me; up is the opposite direction to that.

So, after about 200 pages of waffle, lies and obfuscation, you're finally admitting that the "stacked layers" know up from down because of gravity.

You won't use those words though. In fact you'll deny that completely even though it's essentially what you're saying.

Ok so now that we have that sorted you can also accept that sea level pressure is higher than 30,000 feet, for instance...right?
You can then accept that anything that goes up will expand...right?#

You can therefore understand that anything pushed deeper into water will compress...right?
It compresses because molecules are crushed out and sent to the top.

You can understand you're under more pressure when stood at sea level than 30,000 feet...right?
All molecules under pressure and the one's at the bottom are under much more pressure than those at the top with the rest of the staked layers doing the same.

If a molecule has many layers it will be more dense than one that loses a layer by expansion.
The one's with more layers within their make up the denser they are.
This is classed as under pressure below and the one's with less layers naturally find above. Up. Less pressure.

Now then if you can't understand up and down from this then I seriously can't help you.

You're describing differences in pressure due to gravity.

Think of a pyramid of molecules.
Most?
Least?
Most pressure?
Least pressure?


The bottom pushes the top and the top pushes the bottom of what's above and uses the one below as resistance to push.

They will be pushed to the right or left by what's next to them and above that causes them to resist that push, as above answer.
Have a bit of time to think on it.

Remember the pyramid system. I'd use a dome but a pyramid system gives a better analogy.

So, gravity tells them which way is up then. Got it.

That depends on how sensitive the microphone is.

The idiocy is strong today.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Friction is not the cause of a speaker moving.

Vibration is. And guess what vibration is?.....Yep, friction.

It is designed to have as little friction as possible.

No it's not.
It's designed to throw out sound frequencies.

Yes I know what an induction hob is. They are very quiet.

But what do they do?

Sound is vibration but not all vibration is caused by friction.

All vibration is friction. It doesn't matter how it's dressed up or down. It is friction.

Impact on a drum, twanging a guitar string, a speaker as I have said, animal vocal chords, a reed is air pressure. And none of these have anything to do with light, just the same as a torch has nothing to do with sound.

Not the visible light you're used to but each movement is vibration and all vibration is heat and all heat creates light. Just because we see little of it does not mean it's not there.
You are vibration/sound/friction/frequency/heat/light.

And of course they have different speeds.

Vibration causes movement of atmosphere. That's the whole point of it.
Expansion and contraction of a pressure push by applied energy.

You are being foolish sticking to this narrative.

In your opinion.
The truth is I'm offering a primitive mindset on the complicated.
Reverse engineering the complicated looking, if you like.

Just popped in to remind @Nukehasslefan that everything he says was disproved by the Ancient Greeks by sticking sticks in the ground and looking at the shadows.

Just reminding you that nothing was proved except to know the sun reflection moves, not Earth moving.

What makes the colours we see? The commonly accepted and proven wavelengths and frequencies, or something else?

Wavelengths and frequencies is fine to go with.
We see this happening at the basic level with water and such.
Reflected light through wavelengths is fine to be going along with.

 

[fyl2u]

Why?

Let me explain this.
If you were in a swimming pool and you dug a hole in the base of it. Let's say like a little cave.
What happens to the water as you dig the hole?

Gravity would pull the water into the hole.

Any noise you heard would be atmospheric friction caused by the reflection of the suns heatwaves.
Through atmosphere itself it would need something extremely sensitive to pick up the agitation but it could be done.

No because you're still in layers of atmosphere that go to that cave.

Imagine stood in a world of coloured lines. We'll call these the stacked layers of lines.
Each colour is more or less pressure.

Ok, you stand in the lines upright. What happens?
You alter the lines where your dense mass of your body displaces them.
They need to alter...but how?

You compress each line either side of you and around you. That set of lines now offers your displacement of your mass back onto you.
You're clamped or under pressure all the way to the very top of your head and then the lines above will offer pressure onto the top of your head directly above it.
You're now under a downward squeeze that your body resists.

Ok now you want to go in a cave.
The lines to that cave are still running into it and you going into the cave means you push those lines out of the way and they return behind you and around you with every step.#
What you push away is returned right back at you.
Once you're in the cave you then still displace those same line only in a different location.

The cave itself does the very same.

Yeah I know it's crude but you ask so I'm trying to offer you something to focus on if you can.

We all understand what layers are. You don't have to give 15 different analogies to explain what one is.

We're asking why they're up-and-down if there's no gravity to tell them which way is up and down.

Light reflects along waves.

The scale would register 4 books at 4kg because the table offers the foundation to the other 6 books which bypass the scale plate.
Place a scale plate on the table under the 6 books and you now register 6 kg on the table as it's own foundation to a moving foundation (scale plate) to register a measurement of mass against atmosphere.
I know you're saying use the books as atmosphere but I can't because you then nullify the actual set up.

Ahhh ok, so at least we can do both in one.
Above is what happens with books.

Your mindset is thinking the roof stops the crush on the books under it.
It does. It stops the crush of its own dense mass that displaces the atmosphere.
Under that roof the atmosphere still works.

Back to water.

You're in a house under water.

You have 4 books in the house and 6 on the roof.

Ok your house is full of water and all your furniture displaces a lot of water, including your bricks and roof and wood and floor and mortar...you get the point.
Some of it will absorb the water. Your bricks are porous so not all of your bricks will displace all of that mass of water...some will be part of that brick as volume of water.


That goes for everything else.
Ok so now we will also offer a set of scales into the house which are also under water, obviously but are set to zero. Basically they are set to the pressure of water over them at the floor of the house.

Now we need to move the books onto the scale. 4 books. We will do this as if we are doing it in atmosphere but using water as the analogy to get you an understanding of what you're asking.

Ok so you move the 4 books that are displacing their own mass of water from one position and you place them onto the scale plate.
You have now transferred that displacement of water to the scale plate with the books.

The place you took them from was immediately filled with water because you took away the dense mass from that position.


Ok now to your roof.
The roof in itself is also displacing water with the wood, tiles...etc. The loft is filled with water.
But you have 6 books on it which are adding to the displacement of that roof against water, meaning you now have 6 books that measure 1kg adding 6 kg of water displacement to that roof.

Take those books away and place them atop the 4 in the house and your roof is now displacing only it's own dense mass of water which has now filled the void left by the 6 books and transferred that displacement onto the books on the scales to now read 10 kg of displacement.

OMG the mixing of analogies. Books are i the house on the table under the water in the void....

It doesn't waste time travelling. It's instant to the reflection.
Waves are always happening and light just reflects through them. It doesn't jump on them and ride along at any speed.


This is where we have to part company. You had your fun.

Wait, time travel is real? Why is it wasted?

No it's not.
It's designed to throw out sound frequencies.

 

[legend7]

Vibration is. And guess what vibration is?.....Yep, friction.

No it's not.
It's designed to throw out sound frequencies.

But what do they do?

All vibration is friction. It doesn't matter how it's dressed up or down. It is friction.

Not the visible light you're used to but each movement is vibration and all vibration is heat and all heat creates light. Just because we see little of it does not mean it's not there.
You are vibration/sound/friction/frequency/heat/light.

Vibration causes movement of atmosphere. That's the whole point of it.
Expansion and contraction of a pressure push by applied energy.

In your opinion.
The truth is I'm offering a primitive mindset on the complicated.
Reverse engineering the complicated looking, if you like.

Just reminding you that nothing was proved except to know the sun reflection moves, not Earth moving.

Wavelengths and frequencies is fine to go with.
We see this happening at the basic level with water and such.
Reflected light through wavelengths is fine to be going along with.

All wrong

 

[taipeisafc]

Why would an object move through ever increasing density air? It would offer more resistance.

And what about the Ozone layer - Ozone is 50% denser than Oxygen and hence a lot denser than air (65% or so) so it would always be denser than the surrounding atmosphere hence it would naturally be crushed down thus Ozone would always migrate to ground level.....but it doesn't and if if did we would be in trouble as it causes lung damage (the recommended NIOSH limit for Ozone concentration is 0.1 ppm not to be exceeded at any time).

 

[legend7]

Yes, I'm saying it doesn't.
However, don't get mixed up with me saying wavelength does not exist.
You see the key is in what makes light work.
What is light?

It's energy equaling sound which is vibration and the frequency of it.
So basically it's what makes the light that is the waves but the light itself is the reflection through the atmosphere/medium.

Actually @Nukehasslefan although I'm 99% certain I'm on ignore, with regard to light not having wavelengths could you explain how this prev answer of yours works because I've read it about 10 times and I really don't understand what you mean.
You normally explain things with such clarity and simplicity too......

 

[fyl2u]

Wavelengths and frequencies is fine to go with.
We see this happening at the basic level with water and such.
Reflected light through wavelengths is fine to be going along with.

"Fine to be going along with".

 

[DaveH]

Vibration is. And guess what vibration is?.....Yep, friction.

No it's not.
It's designed to throw out sound frequencies.

But what do they do?

All vibration is friction. It doesn't matter how it's dressed up or down. It is friction.

Not the visible light you're used to but each movement is vibration and all vibration is heat and all heat creates light. Just because we see little of it does not mean it's not there.
You are vibration/sound/friction/frequency/heat/light.

Vibration causes movement of atmosphere. That's the whole point of it.
Expansion and contraction of a pressure push by applied energy.

In your opinion.
The truth is I'm offering a primitive mindset on the complicated.
Reverse engineering the complicated looking, if you like.

Just reminding you that nothing was proved except to know the sun reflection moves, not Earth moving.

Wavelengths and frequencies is fine to go with.
We see this happening at the basic level with water and such.
Reflected light through wavelengths is fine to be going along with.

Vibration is not friction, that is just wrong. The two can influence each other. Frication can cause vibration and vibration can increase or decrease friction depending on the system. Like you saying light is sound because you rubbed two sticks together, you have seen two things in a similar context and assumed they are the same. Wrong.

Where is the friction in a vibrating guitar string.

Yes a speaker is designed to throw out frequencies of sound. It can only do so efficiently without friction in the cone-magnet system.

So now you have backed down and said that sound is light we can’t see. Fair enough there is a connection between IR and heat, it is not as simple as IR is heat, but lets not go into that. If this is all light we see, where does visible light come from?

 

[fyl2u]

If this is all light we see, where does visible light come from?

The super carbon arc projector, silly.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Vibration is not friction, that is just wrong.

By all means think that. I'm just telling you what it is from my side. I'm not asking you to believe it.

The two can influence each other.

The two are the same thing.

Frication can cause vibration and vibration can increase or decrease friction depending on the system.

They are both the same thing.

Like you saying light is sound because you rubbed two sticks together, you have seen two things in a similar context and assumed they are the same. Wrong.

I gave you the simplest primitive form. It doesn't matter what is used, to be fair.... but to allow the lay person to understand the simplest form so they can understand what life basically is.

Where is the friction in a vibrating guitar string.

The vibrating guitar string.

Yes a speaker is designed to throw out frequencies of sound. It can only do so efficiently without friction in the cone-magnet system.

It can only do so efficiently with friction. To do it without renders it not a sound system.

So now you have backed down and said that sound is light we can’t see.

Nope. I told you this before.
Our senses pick up what we see of light through the spectrum. We also feel the heat and feel the vibrations but we may or may not see them, although specialist equipment may or even insects...etc.

Energy equals vibration which is friction which is sound and frequencies which also create heat and also light.
All are the same thing in different patterns, that's all.

Fair enough there is a connection between IR and heat, it is not as simple as IR is heat, but lets not go into that. If this is all light we see, where does visible light come from?

Visible light is what our eyes make of the colour spectrum.
What is absorbed and mixed to offer us what we see as colours and brightness of them.
We can see mixing in the basic colour spectrum which as we all know by mixing actual colours themselves, we can alter the colour wavelengths back to our eyes from the source as reflection.

 

[3.142]

"Fine to be going along with".

I think I've got it now. Different wavelengths and frequencies generate different colours. But light doesn't doesnt wave a speed.

I wonder it refraction is also 'fine to be going along with'.

And the periodic table, how about that?