Put a flat earthier into space

[RollingStone]

Like I've said many many times on here. I accept a hell of a lot of stuff and have no need to question it. And there's a lot I do question.
It really is as simple as that.
There's many things you can hit me with.
You could say something like, " if you were told you were going to be hit by an asteroid and it was going to destroy Earth, would you be against sending up a rocket with nukes to blow it away like Armageddon or deep impact."
I would answer that quite easily and say I'll leave it to fantasy and go and make myself a nice cup of coffee.

If you ask me why I take pills for certain stuff, I'll tell you I made a choice to take something which helps me. Do I feel the need to question what I take?
I could but there's plenty of things which I accept.

I love football but I don't accept a lot of what's going on within it, money wise and corruption wise.
I accept some of what the authorities say but I question some of it.

And so on.

I'd hazard a guess that you will question a lot of stuff. It may be different to what I question but I'd be surprised if you go along with everything.
If you do question stuff and do not accept some stuff or refuse to believe it, then you're no different to me.

You can argue that you are and accept a lot of stuff I don't but picking and choosing what you agree with or do not agree with is no argument against someone who also chooses.
The only difference may be in whether you follow a mass opinion of disagreement and feel you're valid in that opinion based on that following.

It's easy for you to argue against me in terms of what I'm arguing against because you have everything at your fingertips in order to do that. And that's absolutely fine, although in your own genuine mind you know fine well that what you are arguing is only what you basically follow as your truth, but you really don't know if it is the actual truth, yet against me, a nutter and an idiot, it becomes a more than fair argument against me, in your mind..

I agree, it does offer you that higher pedestal and that applies to anyone else who goes that way. But that higher pedestal is what you placed yourself upon on the back of what you accept as a mass truth and a comfort blanket of knowing you stand with that mass and not contrary to it.

They don't travel at the same speed.

If you mean why does the feather travel faster under lower pressure then the answer is simple.
Much less resistance to it's mass due to extreme low pressure.

The magnet is the same but the difference is, the magnet is much more dense and will appear to drop no faster than the feather over a short height. The reality is, over a real big height in a legitimate environment any dense mass will overcome a less dense mass of similar shape.

I'll make this even more simple.

If you had a metal ball and a wooden ball of similar size and you dropped those balls at the same time from a great height, like a skyscraper, the metal ball would hit the ground a little before the wooden ball.
You would notice by eye the difference in fall.
Many people will argue against this and say they would fall at the same rate, regardless of offering a so called vacuum.

Why?
Because people are brought up with simple little experiments that supposedly offer this as proof.
They see a ball dropped from chest height or from a first floor window or something like that.

They believe similar sized balls of massively different densities will simply hit the ground at the same time...but when it doesn't happen with all, resistance is used.
It's so silly to use it when it suits when air resistance is always the barrier, even if it's a lower pressure resistance.

When I get offered a supposed big vacuum chamber at NASA and see their faces at dropping a supposed bowling ball and handful of feathers, then watching their faces in that room looking absolutely dumbfounded at the amazing thing they just seen, shows it up for what it is. A load of rigged up tosh.

People underestimate the power of atmosphere when you try to evacuate it by force against it to allow evacuation from a container.
The power of it is mental when you try to evacuate just a little of it.


Yes, I'm saying it doesn't.
However, don't get mixed up with me saying wavelength does not exist.
You see the key is in what makes light work.
What is light?

It's energy equaling sound which is vibration and the frequency of it.
So basically it's what makes the light that is the waves but the light itself is the reflection through the atmosphere/medium.

OK let's focus on the global Earth thing. As you say my knowledge of the facts around global Earth have been taught as in reality has most everything else. This is mixed with personal experience/observation. As you put it I go with the flow which you say you do in some areas. My experience has not thrown up any suspicions of a fraud. I get on a plane and I appear to land in another country, my friend in Australia rings me and tells me its nice and sunny there when it's dark here, I read and see on TV shuttle launches, I have been to see Jodrell Bank space telescope etc etc. I haven't had a truman show moment sailing a boat to the horizon and instead hitting the dome. Just thinking something sounds ridiculous isn't a valid reason.

On the the other hand your whole philosophy is utterly utterly ridiculous.

There's lots of things (most) i don't really understand but that's OK just making up an alternative reality is insane.
Real science (which you seem to have an alternative definition of) has got us where we are today. If you want to live on a flat Earth world where your 'scientific' approach is in vogue go back to the middle ages.

You are proposing a huge conspiracy, a crime against humanity. But in any crime there has to be a suspect, a method and most importantly a motive. Its completely ludicrous.

At the end of the day you can think what you like, dress how you like, do what you like just don't go sending any hate mail to Brian Cox.

 

[Kevj]

But they travel at the same speed (or as you say the feather is travelling marginally slower than the block but definitely closer than initially) I still want to see why this is the case in your reality? There's less pressure in the chamber, we determined that and can use the can and crisp packet to prove that so how does the feather go faster? In your musings there would be less force so we see a slower fall for the magnet and feather. You will say less resistance but you said this here:

So if we have less force in the chamber and less resistance we would expect the speed of the objects to be slower, again not what is shown.

What I am suggesting is that there is the same amount of force (gravity) and the resistance is less. The Feather is affected most by the resistance so it speeds up more dramatically. The magnet will be travelling a minuscule amount faster as the air resistance is negligible. This is all seen in the video.

Just for info: around a month ago he advocated there are two types of air pressure with the one which affects objects similar to gravity is undetectable. I’m sure someone else will confirm my understanding of his words is correct or otherwise

 

[ned_werby]

Post #9899 - he was going to reply to me, but then switched to @TheDataGuy. Interesting

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Wow, light doesn't have wavelength and frequency. That is quite a revelation today. When did you realise this, is this something you have known for a while?

It is generally accepted that the different colours we see is down to different wavelengths of light. How does that work in your world? Then of course we have frequencies going just above and just below the visible spectrum, infra red, ultra violet etc. How do they work or do they not exist either?

The wavelengths are the reflections of light through the atmosphere via stacked layering.

But they travel at the same speed (or as you say the feather is travelling marginally slower than the block but definitely closer than initially) I still want to see why this is the case in your reality? There's less pressure in the chamber, we determined that and can use the can and crisp packet to prove that so how does the feather go faster? In your musings there would be less force so we see a slower fall for the magnet and feather. You will say less resistance but you said this here:

So if we have less force in the chamber and less resistance we would expect the speed of the objects to be slower, again not what is shown.

What I am suggesting is that there is the same amount of force (gravity) and the resistance is less. The Feather is affected most by the resistance so it speeds up more dramatically. The magnet will be travelling a minuscule amount faster as the air resistance is negligible. This is all seen in the video.

In bold.
What are you talking about?

 

[ned_werby]

The wavelengths are the reflections of light through the atmosphere via stacked layering.

untrammelled horseshit.

 

[Kevj]

The wavelengths are the reflections of light through the atmosphere via stacked layering.

Star Trek is more believable than that horseshite.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

OK let's focus on the global Earth thing. As you say my knowledge of the facts around global Earth have been taught as in reality has most everything else. This is mixed with personal experience/observation. As you put it I go with the flow which you say you do in some areas. My experience has not thrown up any suspicions of a fraud.

Why would it if your mindset is fixed on being on a globe as per what you're told?

I get on a plane and I appear to land in another country

So do I and I appear to land in another country. I accept it and don't question it because I have no need.
It doesn't mean I believe I flew over a spinning globe to get there.

, my friend in Australia rings me and tells me its nice and sunny there when it's dark here

Yep, I have no issue with this.
It does not mean he's phoning you from under a spinning globe.

, I read and see on TV shuttle launches

Of course.
I saw them as well.
I also saw these lift off in the film, armageddon.

I've seen asteroids hit Earth and destroy France and what not.
There's lots of stuff I've seen on TV.

But they're just fictional films, right?

, I have been to see Jodrell Bank space telescope etc etc. I haven't had a truman show moment sailing a boat to the horizon and instead hitting the dome. Just thinking something sounds ridiculous isn't a valid reason.

Why would you hit any dome?

On the the other hand your whole philosophy is utterly utterly ridiculous.

Of course it is, to you and a whole host of people who go with a spinning globe in a space vacuum...etc....etc.
Why would you think anything else when the coerced and go to mindset is to ridicule anything that goes against mainstream ideals.

There's lots of things (most) i don't really understand but that's OK just making up an alternative reality is insane.

No it's not.
Looking for reality is far from insane.
Remember one thing. We live in reality but we don't really know what it fully entails apart from what we can observe and what were told we observe.
This is where it becomes sketchy and this is where it's questioned.

Real science (which you seem to have an alternative definition of) has got us where we are today.

Got us where?
You mean cars and planes and digital watches and stuff?
Where exactly is that getting us?

If you want to live on a flat Earth world where your 'scientific' approach is in vogue go back to the middle ages.

I'd love to go back but unfortunately there's no time travel.

You are proposing a huge conspiracy, a crime against humanity.

On a mammoth scale....yes.

But in any crime there has to be a suspect, a method and most importantly a motive. Its completely ludicrous.

The suspects aren't too hard to figure out for those who want to put their mind to it.
However, you appear to think you're told the truth and nobody is to blame for anything as it's all above board and sweet as a nut....right?
Or are there things/people you don't trust apart from the one's you're told/coaxed not to trust?

 

[BigPete]

I'd love to go back but unfortunately there's no time travel.

They may believe your shite back then that's why

 

[DPTT]

Why would it if your mindset is fixed on being on a globe as per what you're told?


So do I and I appear to land in another country. I accept it and don't question it because I have no need.
It doesn't mean I believe I flew over a spinning globe to get there.

Yep, I have no issue with this.
It does not mean he's phoning you from under a spinning globe.

Of course.
I saw them as well.
I also saw these lift off in the film, armageddon.

I've seen asteroids hit Earth and destroy France and what not.
There's lots of stuff I've seen on TV.

But they're just fictional films, right?




Why would you hit any dome?

Of course it is, to you and a whole host of people who go with a spinning globe in a space vacuum...etc....etc.
Why would you think anything else when the coerced and go to mindset is to ridicule anything that goes against mainstream ideals.

No it's not.
Looking for reality is far from insane.
Remember one thing. We live in reality but we don't really know what it fully entails apart from what we can observe and what were told we observe.
This is where it becomes sketchy and this is where it's questioned.


Got us where?
You mean cars and planes and digital watches and stuff?
Where exactly is that getting us?


I'd love to go back but unfortunately there's no time travel.


On a mammoth scale....yes.

The suspects aren't too hard to figure out for those who want to put their mind to it.
However, you appear to think you're told the truth and nobody is to blame for anything as it's all above board and sweet as a nut....right?
Or are there things/people you don't trust apart from the one's you're told/coaxed not to trust?

So who do you think these suspects are

I cannot think of anyone of any organisation which was set up thousands of years ago who would be capable of pulling this cover up off

 

[legend7]

The wavelengths are the reflections of light through the atmosphere via stacked

You never explained how the stacks aren't constantly disrupted by people and vehicles and weather which would affect the way we see things disappear at distance in your fantasy world?

 

[Kevj]

So who do you think these suspects are

I cannot think of anyone of any organisation which was set up thousands of years ago who would be capable of pulling this cover up off

It’s everyone in the entire world with the exception of @Nukehasslefan

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So who do you think these suspects are

I cannot think of anyone of any organisation which was set up thousands of years ago who would be capable of pulling this cover up off

Thousands of years ago?
How far back are you sure of?

 

[BigPete]

Thousands of years ago?
How far back are you sure of?

Must date back to Ancient Greece at least

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Must date back to Ancient Greece at least

This person called Eratosthenes?
Or earlier?
Do you know where his scripts/writings are at?
Do you actually know he existed at all?

 

[TheDataGuy]

In bold.
What are you talking about?

Between the 2 states of the video. Vacuum vs no vacuum. I am glad that this is the most puzzling piece. The feather is affected by the resistance most so between the 2 states, full and lower resistance. In higher resistance it travels slowly, a lot lower than the magnet, yet in the low resistance and low pressure it travels faster and very very very very very close to that of the magnet (feels like the socks in Father Ted). Can you answer the questions I asked though? Or are you just going to decide that you will no longer answer the questions. How do you explain the behaviour seen in the video in your reality?

 

[payne]

This person called Eratosthenes?
Or earlier?
Do you know where his scripts/writings are at?
Do you actually know he existed at all?

I think he just decides by flipping a coin as to who to believe or not. Certainly experiments don't persuade him at all.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Between the 2 states of the video. Vacuum vs no vacuum. I am glad that this is the most puzzling piece. The feather is affected by the resistance most so between the 2 states, full and lower resistance. In higher resistance it travels slowly, a lot lower than the magnet, yet in the low resistance and low pressure it travels faster and very very very very very close to that of the magnet (feels like the socks in Father Ted). Can you answer the questions I asked though? Or are you just going to decide that you will no longer answer the questions. How do you explain the behaviour seen in the video in your reality?

I already explained what happened in the video.
In normal atmosphere the feather being of much less mass against the more dense magnet was slowed by the below resistance of air much much more because it found it hard to overcome that resistance over its area.
The magnet being much more dense and offering little internal volume easily pushed through the resistance aided by the crush down of the atmosphere.

The lower pressure offers the feather a much less resistance to the drop so what it gloes through is channeled right back onto it and it easily pushes through.
The dense magnet easily does this as well.

Not sure what it is I'm missing if this doesn't answer.

Maybe offer something more clear.

 

[DaveH]

Why would you have a pressure wave is a sealed room?

That is from my living room.

 

[ned_werby]

Why would it if your mindset is fixed on being on a globe as per what you're told?


So do I and I appear to land in another country. I accept it and don't question it because I have no need.
It doesn't mean I believe I flew over a spinning globe to get there.

Yep, I have no issue with this.
It does not mean he's phoning you from under a spinning globe.

Of course.
I saw them as well.
I also saw these lift off in the film, armageddon.

I've seen asteroids hit Earth and destroy France and what not.
There's lots of stuff I've seen on TV.

But they're just fictional films, right?




Why would you hit any dome?

Of course it is, to you and a whole host of people who go with a spinning globe in a space vacuum...etc....etc.
Why would you think anything else when the coerced and go to mindset is to ridicule anything that goes against mainstream ideals.

No it's not.
Looking for reality is far from insane.
Remember one thing. We live in reality but we don't really know what it fully entails apart from what we can observe and what were told we observe.
This is where it becomes sketchy and this is where it's questioned.


Got us where?
You mean cars and planes and digital watches and stuff?
Where exactly is that getting us?


I'd love to go back but unfortunately there's no time travel.


On a mammoth scale....yes.

The suspects aren't too hard to figure out for those who want to put their mind to it.
However, you appear to think you're told the truth and nobody is to blame for anything as it's all above board and sweet as a nut....right?
Or are there things/people you don't trust apart from the one's you're told/coaxed not to trust?

CT Central - right there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Nukehasslefan]

That is from my living room.

Ahhhh right, so you have pressure sensors in your living room and a ready graph to detect them.

Ok, you carry on with that.
So what is it you're trying to offer now?