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People were wrong about Short ...

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FIVE said:
Muppet....the managers assemble the team.
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Wow way to go with the personal attack on me for my opinion, you are obviously the oracle of all knowledge and I and everyone else should bow down to you. Next time make a more cogent argument.
 

Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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Credit where its due mate. SAFC cost Mr Short a lot of money.

Of course Im sure he rues some of his appointments (many fully backed by us) however writing the debt off is a massive weight off the club and allows us to move forward.

All fans I have spoken to this week whilst recognise the mistakes give him a lot of credit for what he has done.

Hopefully onwards and upwards!
 
qixman said:
Wow way to go with the personal attack on me for my opinion, you are obviously the oracle of all knowledge and I and everyone else should bow down to you. Next time make a more cogent argument.
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Cant get any plainer.....i dont have any crayons to make you understand
 
Let’s not forget the bloke nearly ruined us, totally inept at running a football club. However it takes some balls to hold your hands up after making a big fuck up and admit it. I can’t not respect him for that. It should never got to this point though. We move onwards and upwards.
 
we need to accept the situation we are in now, how it came about is out of our hands entirely, i do think there will be some 'deals' built into the takeover but right now the club is debt free, we are a div 3 team right now so massive colateral will not be needed to move the club in the right direction.

i also think that this consortium has it's eyes on selling the club if/when we reach the premier again (may be wrong) and that will be the time to worry if new owners have the finances.

Mr Short has failed in his attempt to keep the club in the premier and more, i cannot hate the bloke for trying and putting so much money into the club and this parting gesture is nothing but good news for the club right now, some may say it is the least he can do but he did not have to do it, i cannot say i like the man either as i have had to sit and watch a potentially good team get stripped to the bare bones and go through back to back relegations.

while i agree that a man who would not sanction even a 10 million spend to suddenly clear so much debt leaves a lot of doubt and uncertainty i am happy that the club is now in a healthier position, what will be will be i guess.
 
PhilSAFC said:
fact is short is a canny bloke and a MLF who wanted what was best for the club. He was badly let down by his choice of employees who were probably recommended to him by someone else. People like byrne and bain not to mention a host of terrible managers and coaches.
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I think this is right - his heart was in the right place, but clearly the way he runs his day job is massively different to the way he ran us, because it seems his commerciality, business acumen, common sense and ability to select professional, diligent and able lieutenants flew out of the window when he turned his attention to running SAFC!

But by writing off the debt and (hopefully) selling us to proper people he's given us a chance to rebuild - at least he cares and he's got morals it seems.
 
I stopped hoying the boot in the instant he announced he was off. I'm very impressed he's written off the debt too.

It was important to keep up the pressure in case things didn't turn out so well but I've no interest in slating someone who takes responsibility for their mistakes.

I'm his number one fan now :cool:
 
Mackem00 said:
That's part of the problem imo. People spouting all sorts of vile and baseless nonsense without fear of any comeback.


How do you work that one out? Did you want a cuddle or something?
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No not really.
 
I’m grateful he’s wiped out the debt and has seemingly sold the club to people a lot more qualified than he is to run it. Does that make up for the last 6 years of scandal and constant struggle? Not in a million years.

He is the main reason we are consigned to at least a season of league fixtures against the likes of Accrington and Fleetwood.

I’d say people who all of a sudden think he’s the best thing since sliced bread are more embarrassing.
 
Nipple Salad said:
I stopped hoying the boot in the instant he announced he was off. I'm very impressed he's written off the debt too.

It was important to keep up the pressure in case things didn't turn out so well but I've no interest in slating someone who takes responsibility for their mistakes.

I'm his number one fan now :cool:
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People wanted him to sell for £60 million, leave us with debt and go .... they said they'd be delirious.

He's given the club away, cleared the debt and gone without a bad word to say about us ....

.... some people still arent happy :lol:
 
biggie said:
People were not wrong about short him clearing the debt just shows that he has money and that he could have put money in which would have saved us this season
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That may be. But I don’t think he had the will to do it. I don’t think it meant that much to him any more, so he’s cut his losses.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
That may be. But I don’t think he had the will to do it. I don’t think it meant that much to him any more, so he’s cut his losses.
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You could, if you wished, blame the new owners who had the chance to come in ages ago to save us.

But let's blame Short and give the new people our backing is my standpoint.
 
Reiver said:
You could, if you wished, blame the new owners who had the chance to come in ages ago to save us.

But let's blame Short and give the new people our backing is my standpoint.
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He gave it his best shot and it went horribly wrong. He’s managed to remove himself from the club with good grace and at least left us without a millstone around our necks. Although I hold him accountable for the state we got into, I can’t fault him for the way he’s made his exit.
 
Reiver said:
I'm specifically talking about the debt free situation ... the rest has already been endlessly discussed on other threads.

That's all in the past now, the takeover is the present and the future unknown ... but brighter than it was a month ago imo.
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Agreed 100%, the past has gone, the present is Short on his way out and new owners taking over for the future.

Short has acted with the utmost integrity, in seemingly clearing the financial mismanagement of his tenure to let others take on the challenge without that hindrance.

We start 2018/19 in a much better position than we end 2017/18.
 
Reiver said:
People wanted him to sell for £60 million, leave us with debt and go .... they said they'd be delirious.

He's given the club away, cleared the debt and gone without a bad word to say about us ....

.... some people still arent happy :lol:
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And I am thankful for that, I can never forgive him for the mess he made in the first place though.

He came into the club with the idea of making money, hence his failed attempt at playing moneyball with the team (Defanti and Congerton have mentioned this). Attempting to buy what he thought were undervalued players with the idea of selling them at a profit was never going to work in football, instead we ended up buying lots of crocks and shite whose wages we are still paying or who we haven't been able to get rid of, this bought us to our knees.

Hopefully Stewart Donald is buying the club as a vanity project and not to make himself money.
 
PhilSAFC said:
fact is short is a canny bloke and a MLF who wanted what was best for the club. He was badly let down by his choice of employees who were probably recommended to him by someone else. People like byrne and bain not to mention a host of terrible managers and coaches.
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This
 
Stormo said:
I was wrong, I admit it. I thought he would take every parachute payment then stick us in administration. He did a very noble and decent thing writing off all the debt. Still his fault for where we are though.
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GOM said on here many times, he could not do that. So why continually think he was going to do it

takes balls mind to come on the board and admit it. well done
 
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