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People were wrong about Short ...

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Mboma said:
Not really, I'm sure they could have went after him through his other businesses, I doubt he could have just walked away or else he would of.




Like I said mate, I don't give a toss if he still gets something or not but I'm not going to say he should have the grace of leaving here like he's some sort of hero.

Whatever the deal is, it will have suited him first, us second.

Onwards and upwards.
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In the absence of personal guarantees, they really couldn't. That's the entire point of limited liability and separation of legal personality.
 

If we are truly debt free that's bloody brilliant, however, there is surely a catch ? Would be too good to be true, especially where this club is concerned.
 
Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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The important thing as far as I'm concerned is that Short has structured the deal in a way that means our crippling debts are wiped and the new owner is free to go about the business of making us a sustainable club.

If there is some clause to say that Ellis gets some money back at some point in the future if we're doing better or even if some of our current/future income is being used to pay some of the debt off, I personally have no problem with that as long as the new owner is confident he can still make us sustainable.

The point for me isn't really whether Ellis personally paid off £120+ million (I have no idea if he did or not) but has he left the club in a sustainable position to move forward?

It sounds like he has so we should be pleased about that.
 
Rober33 said:
The important thing as far as I'm concerned is that Short has structured the deal in a way that means our crippling debts are wiped and the new owner is free to go about the business of making us a sustainable club.

If there is some clause to say that Ellis gets some money back at some point in the future if we're doing better or even if some of our current/future income is being used to pay some of the debt off, I personally have no problem with that as long as the new owner is confident he can still make us sustainable.

The point for me isn't really whether Ellis personally paid off £120+ million (I have no idea if he did or not) but has he left the club in a sustainable position to move forward?

It sounds like he has so we should be pleased about that.
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Well said mate.
 
0321safc said:
If we are truly debt free that's bloody brilliant, however, there is surely a catch ? Would be too good to be true, especially where this club is concerned.
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Why would there be a catch?

If the fat lad up the road sold the Skunks I bet you wouldn’t say There is surely a catch, I dare bet?

Just accept it and embrace it
 
Purrfect South said:
I don’t think anyone needs to apologise. It was what was, and he isn’t blameless as you say.

These kind of threads are divisive, and serve absolutely no purpose.
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Of course they're divisive, exactly as were those claiming Short was deliberately taking the club into administration .... where's the difference?

People have different opinions, big deal it's a forum for opinions ... I'm not insulting anyone or being rude, just asking questions.

One of my points is that some posters seem desperate to find secret penalty clauses which I find difficult to understand.

I'm just hoping this thread clarifies that as I'm genuinely interested.
 
Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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Short is a 100% daft cūnt that shafted the club, only a fool would see it any other way.
 
Slow joe said:
It is brighter without a doubt but i have my reservations about short walking away and leaving us debt free. Hes shown no compassion for the fans and the club at all in recent times so im not going to just believe hes wrote off 100 and odd mil just cause he says so. It will all come out eventually and until it does ill be very sceptical about shorts exit.
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Just asking but if, for example, it still hasn't 'come out' in 5 years time will you still not believe?

RedFlag1308 said:
I wasn't wrong, he suffocated the club which has now become evident was a choice of his. Those who said he couldn't afford to clear our debt and invest in us we're the ones who were wrong. He could, and chose to let us get in the state we were in under him. It shows just how bad he was that doing what should be the minimum basic action is to be greatly applauded, and to be honest, to see a scumbag like him do one vaguely normal thing is nice to see. But to forgive taking 6 years of our supporting lives away, killing off an entire generation of potential safc fans, sucking the club of its soul, relegating us to league 1, hiding/supporting a child molester that abused a season ticket holder, allowing us to become the laughing stock of English football, incubating a toxic culture that will take a decade to kill, and allowing the stadium and infrastructure to become completely run down and embarrassing; just because he decided to change the sheets on the bed that he pissed ? Nah mate no thanks. Fuck him.
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Yes mate, I know all about the child molester, etc etc etc, it's all been discussed a thousand times.

I agree with most of what you say but I was specifically referring to the administration situation and the way people are looking for a catch with the 'debt free' situation.
 
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Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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you have said this 1929391 times since the news was announced. You have started this thread for attention and to get likes.
 
Ageing Grey Mackem said:
Agree to a point. But I for one can’t just mentally wipe the slate clean. If you step back and look at the fuck awful mess the club is in, realistically at its lowest ebb in history, an I prepared to say Short is a decent lad who was simply poorly advised? Am I fuck - the man is a hugely successful businessman who in his running of SAFC has demonstrated no acumen whatsoever.
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Me neither mate, that's not the point of the thread at all.

Caer_Urfa said:
you have said this 1929391 times since the news was announced. You have started this thread for attention and to get likes.
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Said what?
 
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PhilSAFC said:
fact is short is a canny bloke and a MLF who wanted what was best for the club. He was badly let down by his choice of employees who were probably recommended to him by someone else. People like byrne and bain not to mention a host of terrible managers and coaches.
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Utter horse shit
 
Caer_Urfa said:
your OP. You have said the same lines over and over again on countless threads. you are the biggest attention seeker on here.
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It's the first time I've said it ..... obviously touched a nerve with you for some reason :lol:
 
Reiver said:
Just asking but if, for example, it still hasn't 'come out' in 5 years time will you still not believe?



Yes mate, I know all about the child molester, etc etc etc, it's all been discussed a thousand times.

I agree with most of what you say but I was specifically referring to the administration situation and the way people are looking for a catch with the 'debt free' situation.
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Well thats a daft question. It will all come out over the next few months, it has to. Why would it take 5yrs for the details of a takeover of 1 of the biggest clubs in england to come out ? Its impossible.
 
Slow joe said:
Well thats a daft question. It will all come out over the next few months, it has to. Why would it take 5yrs for the details of a takeover of 1 of the biggest clubs in england to come out ? Its impossible.
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So that's your time limit then .... if nothing comes out in the next few months you'll believe what he's said?

And, while you're here, what do expect to come out?
 
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Mackemed said:
I agree. There may or may not be clauses, who knows? If there are we will find out sooner or later, way of modern football, and we can discuss it then. I'm not going to pretend I like Short as a person but at the end of the day he has given us a chance to rebuild (admittedly after making a f***ing mess). It's time to move forward.
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Well you could start by changing your avatar...
 
Slow joe said:
The consortium members, the legal part of the deal, the debt, everything. Do you think in 5yrs time we will know the chairman is Donald and nothing else ?
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So, you don't believe he's left the club debt free now ... fair enough.

My question is 'if nothing comes out in the next few months, to contradict that, you'll believe what he's said?'
 
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