PC Wayne Couzens pleads guilty to kidnap and rape of Sarah Everard



BlackOps said:
Ive always said and its my own personal opinion, a good cop hates nothing more than a dirty cop.
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You're completely wrong in that opinion, along the same lines as the good guy with a gun beating the bad guy with a gun, so stopping the bad guy from shooting multiple people to death. Dirty cop was pretty much the template for policing, which is a major reason PACE was adopted. Even that's had a very limited effect. That Lancashire Cop, in a tweet, is pretty much where it's at:

[Shouting] "I will make something up...

"Who are they going to believe, me or you?

[In his face here] "Who are they going to believe, me or you?"

Reflect that "...his colleague stood by watching this happen, as if it was a normal part of a police officer's working day."

I've worked with plenty of officers, who alone are usually fairly rational and moderate. But put them in a gang, one on which their job and career progression relies on, and they're only going to back up dirty cops to avoid being isolated and targeted. Dirty cops may only be seen as the ones who are corrupt, ones who rape, murder and commit other crimes, but I also see them as these: Ones who abuse their powers, who are racist, homophobic, or misogynist, who have sex on duty, who see lone women in distress as an opportunity to get a phone number.
 
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jrio said:
You're completely wrong in that opinion, along the same lines as the good guy with a gun beating the bad guy with a gun, so stopping the bad guy from shooting multiple people to death. Dirty cop was pretty much the template for policing, which is a major reason PACE was adopted. Even that's had a very limited effect. That Lancashire Cop, in a tweet, is pretty much where it's at:

[Shouting] "I will make something up...

"Who are they going to believe, me or you?

[In his face here] "Who are they going to believe, me or you?"

Reflect that "...his colleague stood by watching this happen, as if it was a normal part of a police officer's working day."

I've worked with plenty of officers, who alone are usually fairly rational and moderate. But put them in a gang, one on which their job and career progression relies on, and they're only going to back up dirty cops to avoid being isolated and targeted. Dirty cops may only be seen as the ones who are corrupt, ones who rape, murder and commit other crimes, but I also see them as these: Ones who abuse their powers, who are racist, homophobic, or misogynist, who have sex on duty, who see lone women in distress as an opportunity to get a phone number.
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Telling a serving officer that his opinion on dirty cops is wrong :lol:
 
palm 1 said:
You can have the best vetting system in the world and you will still won’t stop the odd nutcase getting through . Dennis Neilson was a cop .
Good luck to those wanting double crew at all times . Bearing in mind most cops are single crewed these days the uplift needed would be huge and extremely expensive. You could leave the establishment as it is and double crew but they would be even less visible.
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Not an example of the best vetting system in the world though, was it?

Chris Rock's routine on "bad apples" is pretty cutting: "Some jobs can't have bad apples. Like pilots. American Airlines don't say "Most of our pilots like to land. We just got a few bad apples who crash into mountains." "
 
jrio said:
Yeah, 13 months on remand, although convicted by the tabloid press until Napper was found guilty.

Let's hope that never becomes an actual crime. What a number of the "tabloid convictions" have in common, is that the blokes who've been the victim of this are seen as "odd blokes".
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I thought it was a disgrace the Daily Mail taking clandestine photos of him last year going to work with a big headline "Colin Stagg now works at Tesco after blowing his £700k payout" or summat along those lines.

So f*cking what? Just leave the bloke to get on with his life.
 
ebb said:
You would have expected extremely stringent vetting as if he'd been a new starter as he came from civil nuclear constabulary who are only really have jurisdiction within their facilities and are basically armed security guards.
Hopefully any inquiry will sort whether anything was missed. Unfortunately as someone has already mentioned no matter what vetting anybody has you cannot predict what will happen in the future.
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CTC is all that’s needed for the Met. He was vetted to DV with CNC. I’d guess he was still DV when he went on to DPG, possibly even STRAP if at Westminster?

What it does do, is make a mockery of the UK Vetting Service who imply they know everything about you (I.e. finances, relationships, porn history 👀).

Regards CNC, they now are very active in the communities within the jurisdiction. Unless of course you’re at Sellafield or Dounreay where it pretty much is as you describe.
 
BlackOps said:
Telling a serving officer that his opinion on dirty cops is wrong :lol:
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Like you're the oracle due to that status. The complete arrogance that I didn't mention, which you demonstrate, as I rarely saw it.

With your puffed out chest and belief you can do no wrong, you really think you are in a position to "lay down the law".

Who doesn't look after their own, as they're also looking after themselves? With officers like that, there would never have been the remotest chance of any changes. I won't go through the cavalcade of absolute calumnies from police in recent decades...oh, maybe I just will for a bit:

Bridgewater 3
Guildford 4
Birmingham 6
Barry Bulsara
Colin Stagg
Stefan Kitschko
Cardiff 3
Stephen Lawrence

Absolute tip of the iceberg, the real tip.
 
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jrio said:
Like you're the oracle due to that status. The complete arrogance that I didn't mention, which you demonstrate, as I rarely saw it.

With your puffed out chest and belief you can do no wrong, you really think you are in a position to "lay down the law".

Who doesn't look after their own, as they're also looking after themselves? With officers like that, there would never have been the remotest chance of any changes. I won't go through the cavalcade of absolute calumnies from police in recent decades...oh, maybe I just will for a bit:

Bridgewater 3
Guildford 4
Birmingham 6
Barry Bulsara
Colin Stagg
Stefan Kitschko
Cardiff 3
Stephen Lawrence

Absolute tip of the iceberg, the real tip.
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Reeto :lol: :eek: have a good evening
 
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Paddy O'Dors said:
I thought it was a disgrace the Daily Mail taking clandestine photos of him last year going to work with a big headline "Colin Stagg now works at Tesco after blowing his £700k payout" or summat along those lines.

So f*cking what? Just leave the bloke to get on with his life.
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Had no idea that had happened to him.

The hidden underlying meaning: "Maybe he was innocent of that crime, but would you want to live next door to him? He's probably done something else we don't know about."
BlackOps said:
Reeto :lol: :eek: have a good evening
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Pretty much how it is, with police in 21stC Britain.

Get called out, run off. Then whine to your mates, who back you up.
 
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jrio said:
Had no idea that had happened to him.

The hidden underlying meaning: "Maybe he was innocent of that crime, but would you want to live next door to him? He's probably done something else we don't know about."

Pretty much how it is, with police in 21stC Britain.

Get called out, run off. Then whine to your mates, who back you up.
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I have no intention of discussing a profession you know nothing about when you throw personal insults about when you know nothing about me or my colleagues. I'll hold my head high and continue saving lives and helping people if thats ok?
 
jrio said:
Like you're the oracle due to that status. The complete arrogance that I didn't mention, which you demonstrate, as I rarely saw it.

With your puffed out chest and belief you can do no wrong, you really think you are in a position to "lay down the law".

Who doesn't look after their own, as they're also looking after themselves? With officers like that, there would never have been the remotest chance of any changes. I won't go through the cavalcade of absolute calumnies from police in recent decades...oh, maybe I just will for a bit:

Bridgewater 3
Guildford 4
Birmingham 6
Barry Bulsara
Colin Stagg
Stefan Kitschko
Cardiff 3
Stephen Lawrence

Absolute tip of the iceberg, the real tip.
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Your coming across as a right bellend here mind . You can have a discussion without resorting resorting to abuse . Good job your not in the police as I reckon you would be exactly the type who you are complaining about .
 
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Paddy O'Dors said:
I thought it was a disgrace the Daily Mail taking clandestine photos of him last year going to work with a big headline "Colin Stagg now works at Tesco after blowing his £700k payout" or summat along those lines.

So f*cking what? Just leave the bloke to get on with his life.
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He'd get nothing now thanks to the Tories.
 
Do you guys have to bring Politics into every thread? 😴
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Sexist 'boys' club' culture in armed police unit, rules tribunal

An employment tribunal accepts evidence of a "horrific" culture in part of Police Scotland.
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The culture in an armed policing unit within Police Scotland was "horrific" and an "absolute boys' club", an employment tribunal has found.

It accepted evidence of a "sexist culture" in the armed response vehicles unit (ARV) in the east of Scotland.

Former firearms officer Rhona Malone raised the tribunal against the force alleging sex discrimination and victimisation.

Her victimisation claims succeeded but the discrimination claim was dismissed.

It also found that Ms Malone was an "entirely credible and reliable witness", but the evidence of her former superior, Insp Keith Warhurst, was "contradictory, confusing and ultimately incredible".

Insp Warhurst sent an email in January 2018 saying two female firearms officers should not be deployed together when there were sufficient male staff on duty.
 
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jrio said:
You're completely wrong in that opinion, along the same lines as the good guy with a gun beating the bad guy with a gun, so stopping the bad guy from shooting multiple people to death. Dirty cop was pretty much the template for policing, which is a major reason PACE was adopted. Even that's had a very limited effect. That Lancashire Cop, in a tweet, is pretty much where it's at:

[Shouting] "I will make something up...

"Who are they going to believe, me or you?

[In his face here] "Who are they going to believe, me or you?"

Reflect that "...his colleague stood by watching this happen, as if it was a normal part of a police officer's working day."

I've worked with plenty of officers, who alone are usually fairly rational and moderate. But put them in a gang, one on which their job and career progression relies on, and they're only going to back up dirty cops to avoid being isolated and targeted. Dirty cops may only be seen as the ones who are corrupt, ones who rape, murder and commit other crimes, but I also see them as these: Ones who abuse their powers, who are racist, homophobic, or misogynist, who have sex on duty, who see lone women in distress as an opportunity to get a phone number.
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You’ve worked with plenty of officers….are you a former cop yourself or work within the criminal justice system?
 
jrio said:
Not an example of the best vetting system in the world though, was it?

Chris Rock's routine on "bad apples" is pretty cutting: "Some jobs can't have bad apples. Like pilots. American Airlines don't say "Most of our pilots like to land. We just got a few bad apples who crash into mountains." "
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Thats the world's shittest analogy
 
BlackOps said:
I have no intention of discussing a profession you know nothing about when you throw personal insults about when you know nothing about me or my colleagues. I'll hold my head high and continue saving lives and helping people if thats ok?
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Know plenty about it, as already indicated. But, don't rely on me, let's hear from someone you can't dismiss as easily: former chief constable Sue Fish.

One night, when Sue Fish was in her mid-twenties and a probationary officer, a senior colleague left her in their car while he had sex in the house of a woman he had encountered while policing Was she a vulnerable woman? “I would hazard a guess"

“It’s fair to say sex on duty was seen by some as being a perk of the job,” she says

In an interview on BBC’s Woman’s Hour, Fish was asked if she would go to the police if she had been sexually assaulted “I would think very carefully about it,” she replied. What she did not elaborate on was that she was herself sexually assaulted twice as an adult — both times she was a serving police officer and the offender was a more senior police officer.

When she joined the force she was advised that the chief constable disapproved of women who “lived in sin”, but also that married women were unwanted as they would leave to have babies. For a young woman going into policing now, how confident is she that they would be safe and respected? “I’d love to think that they would be, I’m not completely confident, putting it mildly"
The Krankie Returns said:
You’ve worked with plenty of officers….are you a former cop yourself or work within the criminal justice system?
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Former communications officer at NSY for the Met.
 
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jrio said:
Know plenty about it, as already indicated. But, don't rely on me, let's hear from someone you can't dismiss as easily: former chief constable Sue Fish.

One night, when Sue Fish was in her mid-twenties and a probationary officer, a senior colleague left her in their car while he had sex in the house of a woman he had encountered while policing Was she a vulnerable woman? “I would hazard a guess"

“It’s fair to say sex on duty was seen by some as being a perk of the job,” she says

In an interview on BBC’s Woman’s Hour, Fish was asked if she would go to the police if she had been sexually assaulted “I would think very carefully about it,” she replied. What she did not elaborate on was that she was herself sexually assaulted twice as an adult — both times she was a serving police officer and the offender was a more senior police officer.

When she joined the force she was advised that the chief constable disapproved of women who “lived in sin”, but also that married women were unwanted as they would leave to have babies. For a young woman going into policing now, how confident is she that they would be safe and respected? “I’d love to think that they would be, I’m not completely confident, putting it mildly"

Former communications officer at NSY for the Met.
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A story from a former officer from over 30 years ago? The job is unrecognisable from that time. I hear stories of things that used to go from retired cops and its shocking. Its unrecognisable.
Youve not indicated anything. All youve used is google. I could find enough horrible stories about nurses/doctors.

So in this communications role were you a PC? Front line role?
 
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