Parents give 12 year old boy puberty-halting drugs

Status
Not open for further replies.
Fetch Fletch said:
Is that not the fault of the parents not giving their SON a clear identity?
Click to expand...
Whilst nurture may play a part in development it's much more likely that this is a genetic issue. At the end of the day, whilst she is very young to make such a decision, it's not permanent surgery that's being discussed here, it's a hormone blocker and as such reversible. Don't we all, as parents, just want our children to be happy and well?
My take would be that her parents are just doing what they need to to have a happy child, it just so happens the route to that is unconventional in this instance.
 


Bruce Lee actually spent his youth dressed in girls clothes.. Hard to believe when you grew up watching his movies
 
Scorer said:
Whilst nurture may play a part in development it's much more likely that this is a genetic issue. At the end of the day, whilst she is very young to make such a decision, it's not permanent surgery that's being discussed here, it's a hormone blocker and as such reversible. Don't we all, as parents, just want our children to be happy and well?
My take would be that her parents are just doing what they need to to have a happy child, it just so happens the route to that is unconventional in this instance.
Click to expand...

Hang on, hang on, are you sure puberty blocking drugs are reversible? I think you may be wrong there. Blocking hormones at a key stage in development is going to have a long term impact. For one thing, the size your todger increases considerably around that age. There is also going to be potential long term impacts on bone health, muscular development, prostate health, testicular development and fertility. The purpose of puberty blocking drugs is not to delay development of secondary sexual characteristics, it is to prevent them.

Personally, I would make such treatments illegal to administer to children. People that have had not been happy with their gender have traditionally had a very long line of doctors willing to use them as their guinea pigs wanting to make their name on the back of their condition. I was talking to a doctor the other week in relation to a penis related project that I am working on. He was telling me that actually the leading area of medical study into the penis at present is working out how to change the whole penis structure into a usable third type of sex organ for those who do not wish to be men. There are all kinds of insane looking surgical procedures being suggested. It seems like a free for all. Ultimately, surgery is only ever going to be a hack and slash job. It seems like medical science lead by social pressure rather than accepting the medical reality of the situation.

It is a tricky area when it comes to adults, because I think a lot of the time they are willing victims. I don't think that the mental area is explored to its full extent. There is considerable correlation between mental illness and long term mental problems even after procedures have been carried out. But kids usually can not appreciate the long term impact of a decision such as that to take hormone blocking drugs. I suspect there are a lot of kids once they actually go through puberty that their gender identity becomes very firmly male, and the issue goes. I suspect it is not as well documented because effectively they are not the ones with the problem. I think there is also a tendency to ignore that tieing together gender, which is a social construct, and sex, which is the biological status, is something that is probably learned. I would rather medicine encouraged people to accept their sex and let them know that they could live whatever gender they wish.
 
Smartin said:
Maybe she is a girl trapped in a boys body, must be horrible tbh...

Oh wait, soz lads none of that liberal nonsense on this forum... One moment.

f***ing puffs!, there that's better.
Click to expand...
True, the psychological shock of maturing as a male may be too much for him/her, the poor bairn may be going frantic. Some ethical decisions for the shrinks here
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
Hang on, hang on, are you sure puberty blocking drugs are reversible? I think you may be wrong there. Blocking hormones at a key stage in development is going to have a long term impact. For one thing, the size your todger increases considerably around that age. There is also going to be potential long term impacts on bone health, muscular development, prostate health, testicular development and fertility. The purpose of puberty blocking drugs is not to delay development of secondary sexual characteristics, it is to prevent them.

Personally, I would make such treatments illegal to administer to children. People that have had not been happy with their gender have traditionally had a very long line of doctors willing to use them as their guinea pigs wanting to make their name on the back of their condition. I was talking to a doctor the other week in relation to a penis related project that I am working on. He was telling me that actually the leading area of medical study into the penis at present is working out how to change the whole penis structure into a usable third type of sex organ for those who do not wish to be men. There are all kinds of insane looking surgical procedures being suggested. It seems like a free for all. Ultimately, surgery is only ever going to be a hack and slash job. It seems like medical science lead by social pressure rather than accepting the medical reality of the situation.

It is a tricky area when it comes to adults, because I think a lot of the time they are willing victims. I don't think that the mental area is explored to its full extent. There is considerable correlation between mental illness and long term mental problems even after procedures have been carried out. But kids usually can not appreciate the long term impact of a decision such as that to take hormone blocking drugs. I suspect there are a lot of kids once they actually go through puberty that their gender identity becomes very firmly male, and the issue goes. I suspect it is not as well documented because effectively they are not the ones with the problem. I think there is also a tendency to ignore that tieing together gender, which is a social construct, and sex, which is the biological status, is something that is probably learned. I would rather medicine encouraged people to accept their sex and let them know that they could live whatever gender they wish.
Click to expand...
From what I've read, which is limited, it is reversible but it's a pretty complicated area of medicine and science not to mention ethics. I think you raise a lot of valid points and I'd share some of those concerns, particularly around long term impact upon mental health. If society was sufficiently sophisticated enough to deal with the gender identification issues then perhaps the need to reassign sex would be diminished but not removed, some people really are in the wrong body IMO . With regards to puberty defining the gender identity then it's quite possible that, for some, that is the case but it's speculative at best because of the lack of data and for those that do identify as their "body" sex we just don't know whether they are happy about that or just tolerant of it. Until very recently the truth is it was a matter of like it or lump it.
Being a bit of a wishy washy liberal I think the key issue is the happiness of the individual and, provided that happiness doesn't actively damage others, that's the best measure of outcomes for individuals that find themselves in this position.
 
chunkylover53 said:
:lol: haway then, tell us more
Click to expand...

I started researching a film project on condoms about 12 years ago. It was dependent on getting a commission whether it would get made or not. Another project failed to get commissioned and it was obvious the condom one would not get commissioned either, so it got put on the back burner. I've been looking to make a film on the subject of condoms and penis size and penis health ever since.

The main thrust of it (ho ho ho) if it got made would be about correct condom sizing. I have been working with a few doctors on the subject recently, and it is clear that very few, even male doctors, have any idea about the importance of condom sizing. However, I have also been thinking about looking into penis enlargement devices. There is one style of device out there that is declared medically safe (even though it looks like a device of medieval torture), and it is endorsed by some doctors, but I can not find any definitive explanation as to how or even if it works. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it does something, but what exactly it does, nobody seems to be able to confirm. All the doctors I have spoken to so far have said that the stated method of how it works does not match up to the biological reality of the structures involved.
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
I started researching a film project on condoms about 12 years ago. It was dependent on getting a commission whether it would get made or not. Another project failed to get commissioned and it was obvious the condom one would not get commissioned either, so it got put on the back burner. I've been looking to make a film on the subject of condoms and penis size and penis health ever since.

The main thrust of it (ho ho ho) if it got made would be about correct condom sizing. I have been working with a few doctors on the subject recently, and it is clear that very few, even male doctors, have any idea about the importance of condom sizing. However, I have also been thinking about looking into penis enlargement devices. There is one style of device out there that is declared medically safe (even though it looks like a device of medieval torture), and it is endorsed by some doctors, but I can not find any definitive explanation as to how or even if it works. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it does something, but what exactly it does, nobody seems to be able to confirm. All the doctors I have spoken to so far have said that the stated method of how it works does not match up to the biological reality of the structures involved.
Click to expand...

You started a film project on condoms and it failed... well I never :rolleyes:

Why do you want to make a film about blobs and the size of men's cocks for?

It gonna be a play on the good the bad and the ugly?

The small, the big and the diseased? :lol:
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
I started researching a film project on condoms about 12 years ago. It was dependent on getting a commission whether it would get made or not. Another project failed to get commissioned and it was obvious the condom one would not get commissioned either, so it got put on the back burner. I've been looking to make a film on the subject of condoms and penis size and penis health ever since.

The main thrust of it (ho ho ho) if it got made would be about correct condom sizing. I have been working with a few doctors on the subject recently, and it is clear that very few, even male doctors, have any idea about the importance of condom sizing. However, I have also been thinking about looking into penis enlargement devices. There is one style of device out there that is declared medically safe (even though it looks like a device of medieval torture), and it is endorsed by some doctors, but I can not find any definitive explanation as to how or even if it works. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it does something, but what exactly it does, nobody seems to be able to confirm. All the doctors I have spoken to so far have said that the stated method of how it works does not match up to the biological reality of the structures involved.
Click to expand...
I’m not sure how to respond to that

Good luck I guess
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
I started researching a film project on condoms about 12 years ago. It was dependent on getting a commission whether it would get made or not. Another project failed to get commissioned and it was obvious the condom one would not get commissioned either, so it got put on the back burner. I've been looking to make a film on the subject of condoms and penis size and penis health ever since.

The main thrust of it (ho ho ho) if it got made would be about correct condom sizing. I have been working with a few doctors on the subject recently, and it is clear that very few, even male doctors, have any idea about the importance of condom sizing. However, I have also been thinking about looking into penis enlargement devices. There is one style of device out there that is declared medically safe (even though it looks like a device of medieval torture), and it is endorsed by some doctors, but I can not find any definitive explanation as to how or even if it works. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it does something, but what exactly it does, nobody seems to be able to confirm. All the doctors I have spoken to so far have said that the stated method of how it works does not match up to the biological reality of the structures involved.
Click to expand...

Logon or register to see this image
 
BigPete said:
You started a film project on condoms and it failed... well I never :rolleyes:

Why do you want to make a film about blobs and the size of men's cocks for?

It gonna be a play on the good the bad and the ugly?

The small, the big and the diseased? :lol:
Click to expand...

No, we did not film anything (I think, possibly we filmed some vox pops), but we did quite a bit of research and were at the stage of booking people for interview when I decided to pull the plug in favour of another commissioned project. If you have ever worn a condom that is too small for you, then you will realise why a film with condom sizing as a central theme has potential to attract some interest.

When I was packaging the proposal it was a medical themed trilogy of films, with mental health and the the pharmaceutical industry being the other subjects. The condom thing probably had the most interest. In our initial research it was certainly the subject that provoked the strongest reaction, mainly from women who insisted condom sizing was not an issue.
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
No, we did not film anything (I think, possibly we filmed some vox pops), but we did quite a bit of research and were at the stage of booking people for interview when I decided to pull the plug in favour of another commissioned project. If you have ever worn a condom that is too small for you, then you will realise why a film with condom sizing as a central theme has potential to attract some interest.

When I was packaging the proposal it was a medical themed trilogy of films, with mental health and the the pharmaceutical industry being the other subjects. The condom thing probably had the most interest. In our initial research it was certainly the subject that provoked the strongest reaction, mainly from women who insisted condom sizing was not an issue.
Click to expand...

Just buy bigger blobs?

Can't see why you need to do research and make it into a film? Is part of your research looking at cocks of all different shapes and sizes?

:rolleyes::lol:
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
I'm just talking about aspects of men's health that often get neglected. If you want to reduce it to puerile jokes it is up to you.
Click to expand...

It's neglected because it's not an issue, if the blobs too small get a bigger one?

No need for research and a thesis on the matter bloody hell.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top