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Winter is a mag anyways. Makes sense as he’s an utter prick.Henry Winter is up there with Jake Humphrey for sticking his tongue up Newcastle fans bum holes, horrendous views.
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Winter is a mag anyways. Makes sense as he’s an utter prick.Henry Winter is up there with Jake Humphrey for sticking his tongue up Newcastle fans bum holes, horrendous views.
It's spending less than it makes, and it's not spending on what the squad needs. e.g. NUFC signed Joelinton for £40m despite the then manager saying it was a bad idea, the scouts saying the player was overvalued. Had that £40m been made available to the manager (Bruce or Benitez) they'd have signed a proven striker like Rondon or Wilson for 1/2 that and had £20m to spend on defenders or midfielders.You do, because that's exactly what the club are doing now and it's spent alot of money recently on the likes of ASM, Joelinton, Willock.
Right, which is bad, I've never said Newcastle have it the worst in that regard, or we're unique or whatever.Which happens to many clubs, Newcastle United are not unique. It even happened to us after finishing 10th, We neglected the squad that got us to the best finish since the Reid days.
I've had a look but can't find a direct quote, but there's plenty of mentions of no investment and pieces in the Athletic showing nothing more than the basic. I remember a mention of other clubs having hydropools and the like, where Newcastle do not.Is this just guess work? Have you got any quotes from anyone within the club to confirm Newcastle don't have the facilities to 'combat soft tissue injuries'? Genuinally intrigued to see if this has been mentioned by someone within the club to advise your rehabilitation and medical unit isn't that of a standard Premiership outfit.
You're stretching it a bit by demanding a player who's gone on to have 'an outstanding career' aren't you? You've had at least 1, we've had none.Andy Carroll, Longstaff Brothers, Woodman, Dummett, Armstrong etc all came through the academy and represented the first team, Can you let me know who have you lost as an academy prospect that has went on to represent clubs at a higher level or had an outstanding career since?
It's a gamble with Ashley, not a considered plan.Ah, So even when Ashleys appointments work, it's got nothing to do with him and no credit should be given yet every appointment that fails, is his fault.
Are you that braindead that you can't accept / acknowledge that Mike Ashley has stated on several occasions he want's to sell the club, and until he does, the scenario is pretty much going to be the same? Every single person knows that in order for Newcastle to progress from now, they need a change of ownership. That isn't my argument, my point is that Mike Ashley hasn't had a sole aim of only ever surviving since he bough the club in 2007. Ashley is probably one of the longest serving owners in the PL and took over the club when the PL was in a very different financial position to what it now is. He has admitted he hasn't got the financial ability to plough endless amounts of money into the club. How is it a surprise to you that an owner, who's entire empire is dictated by the success of his retail businesses, is unwilling to plough money into an asset, on the back of a global pandemic that absolutely decimated the retail sector? I don't know how a) you can't accept this or b) realise it, when it's so f***ing obvious.
Colleague of arch Mag and fellow Times football reporter Martin Hardy and The Athletics #cans George Caulkin (ex Times). These fkrs are a disgrace.Winter is a mag anyways. Makes sense as he’s an utter prick.
Can you clear something up, why does sensible book-keeping have to go hand in hand with a lack of ambition? Other clubs seem to be able to be both well-run and ambitious?The first period was neglect, the second is sensible.
Yeah they use their position in the media as football writers to push their own agenda. i know they we’ll do it but it’s pathetic when theres so many mags.Colleague of arch Mag and fellow Times football reporter Martin Hardy and The Athletics #cans George Caulkin (ex Times). These fkrs are a disgrace.
Utterly biased, no sense of impartiality and blind to what the Saudi regime stands for.
They just want a glamorous, wealthy NUFC at any cost and fcuk what anyone else thinks.
Which clubs?Can you clear something up, why does sensible book-keeping have to go hand in hand with a lack of ambition? Other clubs seem to be able to be both well-run and ambitious?
If NUFC hadn't spent the 40 million on Joelinton and put it into the infrastructure there would have been absolute hell on, and you know it. The fact Joelinton hasn't worked (thus far) means you can use this as something to back up your statement because it suits you agenda. I can also guarantee that if Joelinton had been banging the goals in and had you around the top 8, the academy / infrastructure at present wouldn't even be mentioned.It's spending less than it makes, and it's not spending on what the squad needs. e.g. NUFC signed Joelinton for £40m despite the then manager saying it was a bad idea, the scouts saying the player was overvalued. Had that £40m been made available to the manager (Bruce or Benitez) they'd have signed a proven striker like Rondon or Wilson for 1/2 that and had £20m to spend on defenders or midfielders.
Since 2007, The Premiership has had 42 relegation positions available, Newcastle have occupied these finishing positions, twice, in 14 years. There is not one of those clubs who have been relegated (or some of them who haven't even been relegated) twist, moan, and continuously blame the owner for absolutely everything that has happened within that time period. One of the unique things with NUFC is within that time period they have also had some successful seasons, again which is then classed as fluked or nothing to do with the owner at all. There is also clubs who have been relegated and never returned, and fans of these clubs don't kick and scream like petulant children because the owner isn't ploughing money back into the club (when he has already stated on many times that he can't afford to do)Right, which is bad, I've never said Newcastle have it the worst in that regard, or we're unique or whatever.
So in short, no evidence whatsoever.I've had a look but can't find a direct quote, but there's plenty of mentions of no investment and pieces in the Athletic showing nothing more than the basic. I remember a mention of other clubs having hydropools and the like, where Newcastle do not.
Isn't the job of the academy to develop either a) players for the first team (Which you have done) b) generate income to the club (Which you have done) - You completely ignored my question here. You haven't released an academy product that has went on to have a really successful career, From the ones that have been developed to a level you are at, You have either got significant money for, or they are part of the first team squad.You're stretching it a bit by demanding a player who's gone on to have 'an outstanding career' aren't you? You've had at least 1, we've had none.
Every single appointment in football is a gamble, There is absolutely no guarantee that any appointment / signing will always work. You can obviously mitigate the risk but there is no evidence to suggest that when Ashley appointed some of the more successful managers i.e. Hughton, Benitez, Pardew, that these appointments weren't carefully considered behind the scenes, again because it doesn't suit your agenda, your assuming they weren't. You will no doubt come back and say Pardew was appointed following on from L1 in Southampton, yet his appointment was actually pretty successful, you can't have it both ways.It's a gamble with Ashley, not a considered plan.
I've not asked for Ashley to put his own (or Sports Direct's) money into the club, so the decimation of the retail sector doesn't impact NUFC. I've asked for him to invest in the club, if that means we don't spunk £40m on a non-goalscoring forward and instead develop the facilities, then that's grand. If it means he sells some of the advertising hoarding space in St James' to a company he doesn't own, then that's grand too.
Also, the scenario being the same until he goes doesn't mean the scenario isn't worth criticising. Especially when you have people saying that Newcastle fans should be happy with the scenario.
Leicester, Brentford, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace. Perhaps the latter is not ambitious enough to make the list.Which clubs?
Away name them.
Leicester, Brentford, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace. Perhaps the latter is not ambitious enough to make the list.
Care to answer my question?
sensible book keeping?Leicester, Brentford, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace. Perhaps the latter is not ambitious enough to make the list.
Care to answer my question?
You can add in the fact that Leicester are probably the most unique footballing story of modern football (if not it's entirety)sensible book keeping?
Leicester’s net debt has gone up by 147% to £162 million. The directors have reviewed the club’s cash flow forecasts and they revealed that the company is reliant on continued funding from external banks as well as King Power International. Leicester have entered into two five-year loan facilities for a total of £ 30 million to finance the working capital requirements of the club and have increased and extended a £ 45 million facility with Macquarie Bank to January 2022. Leicester have also agreed a further £ 16.4 million facility with Macquarie. Should the economic climate worsen for football, the club also have a £ 35 million standby facility with King Power.
Scraping the barrel there mind.Leicester, Brentford, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace. Perhaps the latter is not ambitious enough to make the list.
Care to answer my question?
No doubt he would have used Sheffield United as an example two years ago when they were the media darlings, or maybe Bournemouth, Blackpool, Swansea who all had little stints of being the medias favourite club.Scraping the barrel there mind.
Last 14 seasons (as this is your barometer) Villa have spent 3 seasons in the championship and have a highest finish of 6th.
Palace have 6 seasons with a highest finish of 10th.
Leicesters success is unsustainabl, they're already in huge debt.
Brentford have achieved absolutely bot all.
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If Mike Ashley pumped £40m of the club's money into the training ground and academy there'd be a collective heart attack across Tyneside. Might not scan with your invented caricature of Newcastle fans, but it's true.If NUFC hadn't spent the 40 million on Joelinton and put it into the infrastructure there would have been absolute hell on, and you know it. The fact Joelinton hasn't worked (thus far) means you can use this as something to back up your statement because it suits you agenda. I can also guarantee that if Joelinton had been banging the goals in and had you around the top 8, the academy / infrastructure at present wouldn't even be mentioned.
Yes they f***ing do, Arsenal, Man Utd, West Ham, Chelsea, Liverpool, have all had protests and cry-arsing about how their clubs are run. Villa fans were livid when they went down and how their club was run. There are a few fanbases who went down with barely a whimper, just a glum acceptance of their fate. You don't seem to see that whatever Burnley fans feel about how they're run, doesn't impact how Newcastle fans about how we're run.Since 2007, The Premiership has had 42 relegation positions available, Newcastle have occupied these finishing positions, twice, in 14 years. There is not one of those clubs who have been relegated (or some of them who haven't even been relegated) twist, moan, and continuously blame the owner for absolutely everything that has happened within that time period. One of the unique things with NUFC is within that time period they have also had some successful seasons, again which is then classed as fluked or nothing to do with the owner at all. There is also clubs who have been relegated and never returned, and fans of these clubs don't kick and scream like petulant children because the owner isn't ploughing money back into the club (when he has already stated on many times that he can't afford to do)
Academy sees no significant investment for 14yrs, and you think that's fine? Also, the "really successful" part of your caveat is doing a fuck ton of heavy lifting. What % of youth products go on to have a "really successful" career?So in short, no evidence whatsoever.
Isn't the job of the academy to develop either a) players for the first team (Which you have done) b) generate income to the club (Which you have done) - You completely ignored my question here. You haven't released an academy product that has went on to have a really successful career, From the ones that have been developed to a level you are at, You have either got significant money for, or they are part of the first team squad.
Every single appointment in football is a gamble, There is absolutely no guarantee that any appointment / signing will always work. You can obviously mitigate the risk but there is no evidence to suggest that when Ashley appointed some of the more successful managers i.e. Hughton, Benitez, Pardew, that these appointments weren't carefully considered behind the scenes, again because it doesn't suit your agenda, your assuming they weren't. You will no doubt come back and say Pardew was appointed following on from L1 in Southampton, yet his appointment was actually pretty successful, you can't have it both ways.
He's been here 14 years, he could easily have ring fenced £2m a year from the tv deals, or perhaps paid for the advertising space his companies have enjoyed for nowt. £2m a year upgrading and maintaining the facilities beyond a lick of paint, so that the club isn't a decade behind other PL clubs in this regard.If you are not asking for Ashley to put his own money, yet you wan't him to invest in the club, How do you expect him to do this significantly when the club over the last few seasons has spent what it's brought in?
West Brom, Watford and Burnley usually get spouted as well.No doubt he would have used Sheffield United as an example two years ago when they were the media darlings, or maybe Bournemouth, Blackpool, Swansea who all had little stints of being the medias favourite club.
Funny that they've all now gone, yet one thing remains, Newcastle as a Premiership club.
As for f***ing Brentford, Jesus wept.
Fair enough on the Leicester front, didn't know it was that bad. Re: Brentford, they owe less to their owner than we do to ours and we've had 12 years of PL money coming into the club.sensible book keeping?
Leicester’s net debt has gone up by 147% to £162 million. The directors have reviewed the club’s cash flow forecasts and they revealed that the company is reliant on continued funding from external banks as well as King Power International. Leicester have entered into two five-year loan facilities for a total of £ 30 million to finance the working capital requirements of the club and have increased and extended a £ 45 million facility with Macquarie Bank to January 2022. Leicester have also agreed a further £ 16.4 million facility with Macquarie. Should the economic climate worsen for football, the club also have a £ 35 million standby facility with King Power.
brentford were 74m in debt in the championship. they got a bumper cash prize getting promoted
And 12 years of Premier league wages.Fair enough on the Leicester front, didn't know it was that bad. Re: Brentford, they owe less to their owner than we do to ours and we've had 12 years of PL money coming into the club.
They both shown more ambition than we have.
Villa are aiming for more, Palace... to early to tell under Vieira but appear to be trying to rejuvenate their squad and push away from a relegation scrap, fair enough re: Leicester, Brentford have achieved promotion to the Premier League, that's no mean feat for a club their size.Scraping the barrel there mind.
Last 14 seasons (as this is your barometer) Villa have spent 3 seasons in the championship and have a highest finish of 6th.
Palace have 6 seasons with a highest finish of 10th.
Leicesters success is unsustainabl, they're already in huge debt.
Brentford have achieved absolutely bot all.
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Your 1st reply mate. Didn't Keegan scrap the Reserves and didn't bring anyone through? They were spending and winning and not a thing was said.If NUFC hadn't spent the 40 million on Joelinton and put it into the infrastructure there would have been absolute hell on, and you know it. The fact Joelinton hasn't worked (thus far) means you can use this as something to back up your statement because it suits you agenda. I can also guarantee that if Joelinton had been banging the goals in and had you around the top 8, the academy / infrastructure at present wouldn't even be mentioned.
Since 2007, The Premiership has had 42 relegation positions available, Newcastle have occupied these finishing positions, twice, in 14 years. There is not one of those clubs who have been relegated (or some of them who haven't even been relegated) twist, moan, and continuously blame the owner for absolutely everything that has happened within that time period. One of the unique things with NUFC is within that time period they have also had some successful seasons, again which is then classed as fluked or nothing to do with the owner at all. There is also clubs who have been relegated and never returned, and fans of these clubs don't kick and scream like petulant children because the owner isn't ploughing money back into the club (when he has already stated on many times that he can't afford to do)
So in short, no evidence whatsoever.
Isn't the job of the academy to develop either a) players for the first team (Which you have done) b) generate income to the club (Which you have done) - You completely ignored my question here. You haven't released an academy product that has went on to have a really successful career, From the ones that have been developed to a level you are at, You have either got significant money for, or they are part of the first team squad.
Every single appointment in football is a gamble, There is absolutely no guarantee that any appointment / signing will always work. You can obviously mitigate the risk but there is no evidence to suggest that when Ashley appointed some of the more successful managers i.e. Hughton, Benitez, Pardew, that these appointments weren't carefully considered behind the scenes, again because it doesn't suit your agenda, your assuming they weren't. You will no doubt come back and say Pardew was appointed following on from L1 in Southampton, yet his appointment was actually pretty successful, you can't have it both ways.
If you are not asking for Ashley to put his own money, yet you wan't him to invest in the club, How do you expect him to do this significantly when the club over the last few seasons has spent what it's brought in?