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Frijj said:
No, I certainly don't agree.

You're faced with overwhelming evidence from credible sources that have no ulterior motive - the Office for National Statistics, Public Health England, Imperial College London, the University of Cambridge, the University of Oxford, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine in this country alone, as well as the public health institutes of every major world government in Europe and elsewhere.

COVID is real, it isn't going away and it poses a significant threat not only to the health of vulnerable and aged individuals, but to healthcare infrastructure.

I really don't understand why you're placing so much stock in the contrarian view of a single person who specialises in neither medicine or public health.

If I am to take your beliefs in good faith, I can only conclude that you believe what you want to believe because for whatever reason, the truth is inconvenient to you.
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Frijj said:
@Mackemmark74

When you're quoting me, can you reply outside of the quote? I have no idea what you've said because whatever you've posted, you've nested inside the post you've quoted.


Can you provide a link to that statement please?
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Mackemmark74 said:
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Again, this is what I'm talking about - cherry picking of data. The same report you're claiming says "no excess in Week 43" also says there WAS excess in Weeks 40, 41 and 42. So you're making a very broad claim here:

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Nobody is saying Covid isnt a risk and isnt real but even public health england are saying there isnt significant excess mortality.
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When the evidence you've used as a base for that statement says that there WAS statistically significant excess deaths in Weeks 40, 41 and 42:

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You've also completely brushed over that the report says:

"Note: The recent weeks’ data are estimates with large registration delay corrections and therefore should be interpreted with caution. These estimates may differ substantially to future reports as the actual number of deaths become known."

You keep cherry-picking the data that you want whilst ignoring things that go against this view you've constructed.
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Also just to point out

We've gone from

Mackemmark74 said:
There are no or very few excess deaths and if we were in a pandemic there would be massive amounts of excess deaths.
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No excess deaths since May or June.
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But since June, it has been nothing like that and week ending 16 October was 600 odd.
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you'll agree excess deaths have fallen significantly and not at a level that suggests a pandemic is ripping through the country.
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In week 43 2020 in England, no statistically significant excess mortality by week of death above
the upper 2 z-score threshold was seen overall
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I love a good conspiracy but covid-19 suits no one does it? The medical companies will make a lot of money sure, when/if the vaccine comes out. But surely a return to normality is better for everyone across the world!

I'm delighted Europe has gone into full lockdown, it worked over here in China and it's still very difficult to enter China if you are a foreigner. Deny the virus new hosts! It's really very simple.

SAVE OUR CHRISTMAS!
 
Frijj said:
Again, this is what I'm talking about - cherry picking of data. The same report you're claiming says "no excess in Week 43" also says there WAS excess in Weeks 40, 41 and 42. So you're making a very broad claim here:



When the evidence you've used as a base for that statement says that there WAS statistically significant excess deaths in Weeks 40, 41 and 42:

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You've also completely brushed over that the report says:

"Note: The recent weeks’ data are estimates with large registration delay corrections and therefore should be interpreted with caution. These estimates may differ substantially to future reports as the actual number of deaths become known."

You keep cherry-picking the data that you want whilst ignoring things that go against this view you've constructed.
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You too,
Frijj said:
Again, this is what I'm talking about - cherry picking of data. The same report you're claiming says "no excess in Week 43" also says there WAS excess in Weeks 40, 41 and 42. So you're making a very broad claim here:



When the evidence you've used as a base for that statement says that there WAS statistically significant excess deaths in Weeks 40, 41 and 42:

Logon or register to see this image


You've also completely brushed over that the report says:

"Note: The recent weeks’ data are estimates with large registration delay corrections and therefore should be interpreted with caution. These estimates may differ substantially to future reports as the actual number of deaths become known."

You keep cherry-picking the data that you want whilst ignoring things that go against this view you've constructed.
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Also just to point out

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I'm not cherry picking. Its blatantly obvious that there havent been significant excess deaths for a number of months. Perhaps I should have rephrased my initial message. It's clear on the data we are both looking at.
 
Mackemmark74 said:
Nobody is saying Covid isnt a risk and isnt real but even public health england are saying there isnt significant excess mortality.
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Mackemmark74 said:
You too,
I'm not cherry picking. Its blatantly obvious that there havent been significant excess deaths for a number of months. Perhaps I should have rephrased my initial message. It's clear on the data we are both looking at.
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Weeks 40, 41 and 42 of that very report say we saw excess deaths, and we know there is the potential for many more since cases are rising, admissions are rising and deaths are rising.

I don’t get how you can ignore evidence that’s in front of you, all on the say-so of a single bloke!
 
bowers2 said:
unlike most I kept an open mind. I refuse to be brainwashed and it appears on this forum you are not allowed an opinion.
I doubt whether the people on here one even claiming I should be banned ffs have watched it.
looks like no one has a freedom of speech anymore.
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Angry response and hit out at those following pretty much the rest of the world, labelling them as closed minded and brainwashed. Classic conspiracy theorist behaviour there.
 
rudd said:
These people who claim to be open minded people seem so open minded that their ability to use reason and logic has left their brain.
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The call themselves free thinkers, like it is a label to be proud of. I think freeing yourself of reality and insisting it is true for reasons that can’t be proven by the simplest test is moronic.
 
Frijj said:
Not according to Mikey Y.
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Is that 10 percent across whole year? Or just now? it isnt really clear in article. Because the excess deaths for october in the graph do not look significantly higher. Which is kind of important. Apologies if I havent picked it up right


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Love the argument that the video can't be full of shit if you haven't watched it all the way through.

I've never driven my car into a tree but I don't need to drive my car into a tree to know it would be a less than enjoyable experience.
 
This fella if full on mentalist. Check out his twitter "listen to me, i'm really important and clever, I'm better than SAGE, no one will interview me boo hoo, the pandemic is over, false positive or something"

The best one - "stop testing and deaths will fall". :lol:
 
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