Not a mental case or a 5g crazy man

[Sessegnons Mam]

Ive noticed most of the covidiot tin foil loons/deniers/attention seekers are quiet on here tonight.

Maybe it has hit home that their rhetoric, that it doesnt exist/rules dont need to be obeyed/masks are for losers etc has contributed to this mess, that the county has again had to be locked down to save the NHS and save lives (wont be long before we have 1,000 covid deaths a day but not just that, to ensure ALL poorly people can get treatment) because idiots like them refused to accept this is a real problem etc

doubtful but there we go...

Something to celebrate at last

 

[Mackemmark74]

Ive noticed most of the covidiot tin foil loons/deniers/attention seekers are quiet on here tonight.

Maybe it has hit home that their rhetoric, that it doesnt exist/rules dont need to be obeyed/masks are for losers etc has contributed to this mess, that the county has again had to be locked down to save the NHS and save lives (wont be long before we have 1,000 covid deaths a day but not just that, to ensure ALL poorly people can get treatment) because idiots like them refused to accept this is a real problem etc

doubtful but there we go...

The facts are we're going to a full lockdown when there arent excess deaths. That's a fact. Nobody,including Dr Leadon, is denying Covid exists and killed a lot of people, mostly older vulnerable people. The average age is 82 I think. But now the rates of death are consistent with other years when there wasnt a pandemic. So if a pandemic is sweeping through the country, why are there no excess deaths and havent been for a number of months?
In my opinion, they are scared of the NHS bursting to capacity. Not necessarily from covid-19 but flu and the backlog from all the months when sick people weren't getting treated. Hence the lockdown.

 

[Frijj]

That's the whole point he is trying to make. There are no or very few excess deaths and if we were in a pandemic there would be massive amounts of excess deaths. And hes claiming that those in hospital may be in for your respiratory illnesses which always happen at this time of year. Hes saying that the numbers recorded for respiratory illnesses is down which means these are classed as Covid. So there are no excess deaths.

No excess deaths over what time period? It's pretty undeniable we've had excess deaths this year.

The facts are we're going to a full lockdown when there arent excess deaths. That's a fact.

Please - and please be specific - identify over what time period you're saying that there are not excess deaths.

 

[ravydavygravy]

He’s a f***ing idiot.

Banging on about sage and valance and false positives and immunity and blah blah blah whilst hospitals fill up in front of his eyes.

He blatantly failed his interview for SAGE for being shite and has went full len lowther.

 

[The King of Um]

He’s a f***ing idiot.

Banging on about sage and valance and false positives and immunity and blah blah blah whilst hospitals fill up in front of his eyes.

He blatantly failed his interview for SAGE for being shite and has went full len lowther.

 

[Mackemmark74]

No excess deaths over what time period? It's pretty undeniable we've had excess deaths this year.


Please - and please be specific - identify over what time period you're saying that there are not excess deaths.

No excess deaths since May or June. You just need to look at any graph or data, its publically available. There was a massive spike in April and May but ever since there has been very few excess deaths. Do you not agree with that? There was obviously a massive spike in april and may but its bounced around at normal lengths since then. I'm not saying anything incorrect or factually incorrect.
It's just whether you believe that the increase in number of positive cases will soon see deaths go through roof again. They have made the call that they could. I really dont know

 

[Frijj]

No excess deaths since May or June. You just need to look at any graph or data, its publically available. There was a massive spike in April and May but ever since there has been very few excess deaths. Do you not agree with that? There was obviously a massive spike in april and may but its bounced around at normal lengths since then. I'm not saying anything incorrect or factually incorrect.
It's just whether you believe that the increase in number of positive cases will soon see deaths go through roof again. They have made the call that they could. I really dont know

Yes, indeed I am looking right now at the latest weekly death figures, released by the ONS.

You claim, as you say Yeadon claims, there are no excess deaths "since May or June"

The first full week of May 2020 was calendar week 19. The latest ONS dataset covers up to calendar week 42.

From the start of 2020 calendar week 19, until the end of 2020 calendar week 42, there were 236,975 registered deaths.

From the start of calendar week 19, until the end of calendar week 42, on average, for the five-year period of 2015 to 2019, there were 223,525 registered deaths.

That's an excess of 13,450 deaths between weeks 19 and 42 of 2020, or an increase of 6% above the baseline for that time period.

Please tell me how you can claim there are no excess deaths, given that there were indeed 13,450 of them.

 

[Mackem DJ]

No excess deaths over what time period? It's pretty undeniable we've had excess deaths this year.


Please - and please be specific - identify over what time period you're saying that there are not excess deaths.

You have to wonder how many people are behind these same half a doZen logins.

 

[Ambivalent Dave]

Yes, indeed I am looking right now at the latest weekly death figures, released by the ONS.

You claim, as you say Yeadon claims, there are no excess deaths "since May or June"

The first full week of May 2020 was calendar week 19. The latest ONS dataset covers up to calendar week 42.

From the start of 2020 calendar week 19, until the end of 2020 calendar week 42, there were 236,975 registered deaths.

From the start of calendar week 19, until the end of calendar week 42, on average, for the five-year period of 2015 to 2019, there were 223,525 registered deaths.

That's an excess of 13,450 deaths between weeks 19 and 42 of 2020, or an increase of 6% above the baseline for that time period.

Please tell me how you can claim there are no excess deaths, given that there were indeed 13,450 of them.

Shush man. They don’t care for actual evidence on YouTube/Facebook

 

[North Yorks Mackem]

If you listen to this, it may answer some of your doubts but some will also cover their ears and hum.
Google the fella he isn’t a nutcase.

 

[Mackemmark74]

Yes, indeed I am looking right now at the latest weekly death figures, released by the ONS.

You claim, as you say Yeadon claims, there are no excess deaths "since May or June"

The first full week of May 2020 was calendar week 19. The latest ONS dataset covers up to calendar week 42.

From the start of 2020 calendar week 19, until the end of 2020 calendar week 42, there were 236,975 registered deaths.

From the start of calendar week 19, until the end of calendar week 42, on average, for the five-year period of 2015 to 2019, there were 223,525 registered deaths.

That's an excess of 13,450 deaths between weeks 19 and 42 of 2020, or an increase of 6% above the baseline for that time period.

Please tell me how you can claim there are no excess deaths, given that there were indeed 13,450 of them.

There were about 23k excess deaths over 2 weeks in April. Similarly large figures in May. But since June nothing like those levels. While there excess deaths, there is not a ragin

Yes, indeed I am looking right now at the latest weekly death figures, released by the ONS.

You claim, as you say Yeadon claims, there are no excess deaths "since May or June"

The first full week of May 2020 was calendar week 19. The latest ONS dataset covers up to calendar week 42.

From the start of 2020 calendar week 19, until the end of 2020 calendar week 42, there were 236,975 registered deaths.

From the start of calendar week 19, until the end of calendar week 42, on average, for the five-year period of 2015 to 2019, there were 223,525 registered deaths.


That's an excess of 13,450 deaths between weeks 19 and 42 of 2020, or an increase of 6% above the baseline for that time period.

Please tell me how you can claim there are no excess deaths, given that there were indeed 13,450 of them.

There were something like 23k of excess deaths in two weeks in April..similar in may. But since June, it has been nothing like that and week ending 16 October was 600 odd.

Using this site

Excess deaths England and Wales 2024 | Statista

Excess deaths in England and Wales have remained high since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, with the weekly peak occurring in April 2020.

www.statista.com

 

[Roadhouse]

There were about 23k excess deaths over 2 weeks in April. Similarly large figures in May. But since June nothing like those levels. While there excess deaths, there is not a ragin
There were something like 23k of excess deaths in two weeks in April..similar in may. But since June, it has been nothing like that and week ending 16 October was 600 odd.

Using this site

Excess deaths England and Wales 2024 | Statista

Excess deaths in England and Wales have remained high since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, with the weekly peak occurring in April 2020.

www.statista.com

Changed your tune quite quickly there mind.

 

[TexasMackem]

The video has been hooked by Facebook for containing false information.

Of course this is the best result for Dr Yeadon's fluffers who have exposed big bad facebooks evil censorship. Imagine having logic so detached from reality that you take this to reinforce your belief that the story is in fact TRUE.

 

[Roadhouse]

The video has been hooked by Facebook for containing false information.

Of course this is the best result for Dr Yeadon's fluffers who have exposed big bad facebooks evil censorship. Imagine having logic so detached from reality that you take this to reinforce your belief that the story is in fact TRUE.

Don’t you see? THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! Wake up!

 

[Frijj]

There were about 23k excess deaths over 2 weeks in April. Similarly large figures in May. But since June nothing like those levels. While there excess deaths, there is not a ragin
There were something like 23k of excess deaths in two weeks in April..similar in may. But since June, it has been nothing like that and week ending 16 October was 600 odd.

Using this site

Excess deaths England and Wales 2024 | Statista

Excess deaths in England and Wales have remained high since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, with the weekly peak occurring in April 2020.

www.statista.com

I'm using the ONS data.

Perhaps this chart will clear things up. Each cell shows the percentage change in the number of REGISTERED deaths, between the number of deaths for that calendar week in 2020, and the five year average for that calendar week.

2020 was going quite well until the end of March, when shit hit the fan, which set in motion 13 consecutive weeks of excess deaths, followed by 8 weeks of a shortfall in deaths, which was the result of us getting COVID under control. Unfortunately, from mid-August, we've seen consecutive excess deaths again.

(You'll notice a huge drop in September Week 1 - this is a quirk because these are death registration figures, and there was a BH). I am confident that if you were to make this chart on death OCCURRENCES it would show consecutive excess.

Saying there is no excess deaths is not true, and you should be wary of people cherry-picking dates to include as much of June and July as possible.

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[Mackemmark74]

I'm using the ONS data.

Perhaps this chart will clear things up. Each cell shows the percentage change in the number of REGISTERED deaths, between the number of deaths for that calendar week in 2020, and the five year average for that calendar week.

2020 was going quite well until the end of March, when shit hit the fan, which set in motion 13 consecutive weeks of excess deaths, followed by 8 weeks of a shortfall in deaths, which was the result of us getting COVID under control. Unfortunately, from mid-August, we've seen consecutive excess deaths again.

(You'll notice a huge drop in September Week 1 - this is a quirk because these are death registration figures, and there was a BH). I am confident that if you were to make this chart on death OCCURRENCES it would show consecutive excess.

Saying there is no excess deaths is not true, and you should be wary of people cherry-picking dates to include as much of June and July as possible.

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[/QUO
you'll agree excess deaths have fallen significantly and not at a level that suggests a pandemic is ripping through the country. And with the NHS having been out of action for months and anxiety and stress through the roof it's not that surprising.

 

[Frijj]

you'll agree excess deaths have fallen significantly and not at a level that suggests a pandemic is ripping through the country. And with the NHS having been out of action for months and anxiety and stress through the roof it's not that surprising.

No, I certainly don't agree.

You're faced with overwhelming evidence from credible sources that have no ulterior motive - the Office for National Statistics, Public Health England, Imperial College London, the University of Cambridge, the University of Oxford, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine in this country alone, as well as the public health institutes of every major world government in Europe and elsewhere.

COVID is real, it isn't going away and it poses a significant threat not only to the health of vulnerable and aged individuals, but to healthcare infrastructure.

I really don't understand why you're placing so much stock in the contrarian view of a single person who specialises in neither medicine or public health.

If I am to take your beliefs in good faith, I can only conclude that you believe what you want to believe because for whatever reason, the truth is inconvenient to you.

 

[Mackemmark74]

I'm using the ONS data.

Perhaps this chart will clear things up. Each cell shows the percentage change in the number of REGISTERED deaths, between the number of deaths for that calendar week in 2020, and the five year average for that calendar week.

2020 was going quite well until the end of March, when shit hit the fan, which set in motion 13 consecutive weeks of excess deaths, followed by 8 weeks of a shortfall in deaths, which was the result of us getting COVID under control. Unfortunately, from mid-August, we've seen consecutive excess deaths again.

(You'll notice a huge drop in September Week 1 - this is a quirk because these are death registration figures, and there was a BH). I am confident that if you were to make this chart on death OCCURRENCES it would show consecutive excess.

Saying there is no excess deaths is not true, and you should be wary of people cherry-picking dates to include as much of June

From the public health england website. No significant excess deaths
In week 43 2020 in England, no statistically significant excess mortality by week of death above
the upper 2 z-score threshold was seen overall

No, I certainly don't agree.

You're faced with overwhelming evidence from credible sources that have no ulterior motive - the Office for National Statistics, Public Health England, Imperial College London, the University of Cambridge, the University of Oxford, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine in this country alone, as well as the public health institutes of every major world government in Europe and elsewhere.

COVID is real, it isn't going away and it poses a significant threat not only to the health of vulnerable and aged individuals, but to healthcare infrastructure.

I really don't understand why you're placing so much stock in the contrarian view of a single person who specialises in neither medicine or public health.

If I am to take your beliefs in good faith, I can only conclude that you believe what you want to believe because for whatever reason, the truth is inconvenient to you.

Nobody is saying Covid isnt a risk and isnt real but even public health england are saying there isnt significant excess mortality.

 

[Frijj]

@Mackemmark74

When you're quoting me, can you reply outside of the quote? I have no idea what you've said because whatever you've posted, you've nested inside the post you've quoted.

Nobody is saying Covid isnt a risk and isnt real but even public health england are saying there isnt significant excess mortality.

Can you provide a link to that statement please?

 

[Thurston]

unlike most I kept an open mind. I refuse to be brainwashed and it appears on this forum you are not allowed an opinion.
I doubt whether the people on here one even claiming I should be banned ffs have watched it.
looks like no one has a freedom of speech anymore.

I don’t believe everyone has the right to an opinion and it’s not a question of freedom of speech. As far as I’m concerned they have the right to an informed opinion, otherwise they can shut the fuck up.