Nissan

[Slim999]

Eh? WTF.

Shouldnt you be delighted that there will be:

more people needed to work in IT
more work for the legal profession
more need for customs officers etc?

It might mean more work for beurocrats and pen pushers- but If the net effect is more cost for business it will lose 10x more jobs than it creates as it will create an uncompetitive business environment when contrasted to being in the SM

 

[Wullhawar]

I didn't say you thought any of that of course, I said "imagine people".
I find it er mildly surprising that you don't give a shiny shite if Nissan closes. In fact I really don't know how to respond to that. I never worked in the yards or mines but I was gutted when they closed due to the impact on other people's lives and my home town which for all its faults I love.

Seems we are both misreading what the other person wrote, I don't give a shiny shite from a personal impact point of view i.e. it will have no affect on me as an individual, of course I would prefer it not to close and if it did that would be terrible for the people of the region, which I do not want to see. My issue is with people who keep trotting out this tiresome bullshit about the positive impacts of Brexit, whilst I am sure there will be some, arguing that we will be in a net better off position at the end of it all is a complete falsehood and should be called out.

It's just a shame that enough people from a region which had been decimated by a previous Tory government fell for a load of small minded, archaic, scaremongering load of shite and voted for something that negatively affects one of the regions that has been best supported by our EU membership. If anyone thinks any independent UK government is going to better support the needs of the North East than the benefits we gained by being in the EU it's a waste of time discussing it anymore......which I guess it is anyway thanks to a little over 17m people

 

[PinzaC55]

Seems we are both misreading what the other person wrote, I don't give a shiny shite from a personal impact point of view i.e. it will have no affect on me as an individual, of course I would prefer it not to close and if it did that would be terrible for the people of the region, which I do not want to see. My issue is with people who keep trotting out this tiresome bullshit about the positive impacts of Brexit, whilst I am sure there will be some, arguing that we will be in a net better off position at the end of it all is a complete falsehood and should be called out.

It's just a shame that enough people from a region which had been decimated by a previous Tory government fell for a load of small minded, archaic, scaremongering load of shite and voted for something that negatively affects one of the regions that has been best supported by our EU membership. If anyone thinks any independent UK government is going to better support the needs of the North East than the benefits we gained by being in the EU it's a waste of time discussing it anymore......which I guess it is anyway thanks to a little over 17m people

I don't make any claim to knowledge as to whether the UK will be better or worse off after some undefined period of time after Brexit. I hope it will be better off.
The rest of your post is simply your opinion and I obviously can't persuade you that you are wrong , nor do I care to try.
The fact is that Brexit is going ahead and all we can do is wait and see. I would like to think that both Remainers and Leavers will admit if they are wrong but I think I am likely to be disappointed.

 

[Wullhawar]

I don't make any claim to knowledge as to whether the UK will be better or worse off after some undefined period of time after Brexit. I hope it will be better off.
The rest of your post is simply your opinion and I obviously can't persuade you that you are wrong , nor do I care to try.
The fact is that Brexit is going ahead and all we can do is wait and see. I would like to think that both Remainers and Leavers will admit if they are wrong but I think I am likely to be disappointed.

That's very fair mate, no argument there! Of course my preference would be to give people the chance to admit whether they were wrong or not, we all voted in or out based on something we had absolutely no idea about and both sides were guilty of making stuff up along the way, the simple answer is to hold a referendum on the final terms of the negotiation, that way we can all decide based on facts and realities, which seems a sensible route to me.

Not a chance that would ever be announced whilst we are in the middle of negotiations as our bargaining hand would be ruined, but it would be lovely to think that someone at the very top has the foresight and the balls to do that in a year or so.

 

[redgauntlet]

It's tragic that you don't realise that you have an ideology. This is one of my main problems with the New Left, the fact that they simply toe the line of their peers or what they see as the consensus view of their peers. Any view which doesn't get a hundred likes on Facebook is rejected. Any left wing view older than 20 years is "1950s thinking".
All of my political views are considered and checked against my other views regardless of whether Jeremy Corbyn thinks they are right.

I am not of the new left, left of centre is my stance, I think the “new left” are far too narrow in their thinking. Labour needs to be a broad church to attract a wider vote. I am most impressed by what Labour did in the 1940s and in such trying circumstances. However, I think we have to modify our thinking to be electable, times change and we must change with them.

Eh? WTF.

Shouldnt you be delighted that there will be:

more people needed to work in IT
more work for the legal profession
more need for customs officers etc?

I have a son who joined a public service and runs his dept, nationwide, so yes, the other one works for Nissan, so no. My daughter is a highly paid professional, not everyone is as lucky as me. I was brought up in poverty, i do not like to see people being pushed further and further into that through deliberate government policy. They are the ones who will suffer most for this stupidity, no way will this country profit from it.

 

[PinzaC55]

I am not of the new left, left of centre is my stance, I think the “new left” are far too narrow in their thinking. Labour needs to be a broad church to attract a wider vote. I am most impressed by what Labour did in the 1940s and in such trying circumstances.However, I think we have to modify our thinking to be electable , times change and we must change with them.

You might not be New Left in your own perception but to me everything about your posts screams New Left. I don't mean this to be insulting, simply how I perceive you. "
"However, I think we have to modify our thinking to be electable" could come straight from Alastair Campbell via Tony Blair. Sacrifice principles and make yourselves more like the Tories to get the blue rinse vote.

 

[redgauntlet]

There were no bigger liars than Remain. In fact they couldnt stop lying. When you base your entire campaign on lies and tell us that leaving the EU it will lead to WW3 then we know that credibility wasnt their strong point. As for 17m half wits, imagine how many half wits there would have been without Project Fear? 20m?

Not only that but the fact that remain couldnt even entice "half wits" to vote for their cause sums it all up. If you cant get half wits to vote for you then you dont really have much of a case.

The correct decision was made even though the government are dragging their heels over the whole thing because they are utterly incompetent (but still better than wishy washy non working class champagne socialist London run millionaire public school educated Labour by a country mile).

£350 million for the NHS, come on. 75 million Turks about to invade, Cambridge Analytica, And its associates. Rotten to the core, all to save a bit of tax for the richest. How will it benefit you, or I?

You might not be New Left in your own perception but to me everything about your posts screams New Left. I don't mean this to be insulting, simply how I perceive you. "
"However, I think we have to modify our thinking to be electable" could come straight from Alastair Campbell via Tony Blair. Sacrifice principles and make yourselves more like the Tories to get the blue rinse vote.

You’re twisting words, whatever my thoughts, I would never gamble as you have done. I know how markets work, you cannot beat gravity and money is just as predictable.

 

[KGC83]

£350 million for the NHS, come on. 75 million Turks about to invade, Cambridge Analytica, And its associates. Rotten to the core, all to save a bit of tax for the richest. How will it benefit you, or I?


You’re twisting words, whatever my thoughts, I would never gamble as you have done. I know how markets work, you cannot beat gravity and money is just as predictable.

 

[PinzaC55]

£350 million for the NHS, come on. 75 million Turks about to invade, Cambridge Analytica, And its associates. Rotten to the core, all to save a bit of tax for the richest. How will it benefit you, or I?


You’re twisting words, whatever my thoughts, I would never gamble as you have done. I know how markets work, you cannot beat gravity and money is just as predictable.

And yet again that boring old chestnut about the £350 million for the NHS. It wasn't my idea, I wasn't bothered about it but you hold it aloft like a bible basher holds their stupid f***ing cross.

I don't believe that you know how money markets work. That's just a meaningless assertion like "i have a degree in physics".

 

[Wullhawar]

And yet again that boring old chestnut about the £350 million for the NHS. It wasn't my idea, I wasn't bothered about it but you hold it aloft like a bible basher holds their stupid f***ing cross.

I don't believe that you know how money markets work. That's just a meaningless assertion like "i have a degree in physics".

Don't get us started on f***ing religion and science as well man, what's wrong wi ya

 

[redgauntlet]

And yet again that boring old chestnut about the £350 million for the NHS. It wasn't my idea, I wasn't bothered about it but you hold it aloft like a bible basher holds their stupid f***ing cross.

I don't believe that you know how money markets work. That's just a meaningless assertion like "i have a degree in physics".

I bet it swayed the vote and all of you know it. My first was in social and economic history.

 

[PinzaC55]

I bet it swayed the vote and all of you know it. My first was in social and economic history.

Well I hope it "helped you get elected". Fuck principles those are for losers.

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[ANonnyMoose]

There were no bigger liars than Remain. In fact they couldnt stop lying. When you base your entire campaign on lies and tell us that leaving the EU it will lead to WW3 then we know that credibility wasnt their strong point. As for 17m half wits, imagine how many half wits there would have been without Project Fear? 20m?

Not only that but the fact that remain couldnt even entice "half wits" to vote for their cause sums it all up. If you cant get half wits to vote for you then you dont really have much of a case.

The correct decision was made even though the government are dragging their heels over the whole thing because they are utterly incompetent (but still better than wishy washy non working class champagne socialist London run millionaire public school educated Labour by a country mile).

What a surprise you are in support of Brexit. Everything you say is BS and there hasn't been one single decent reason for Brexit, not one. You old people are killing it for the younger generations, well f***ing done little island mentality person.

Tory scum.

I didn't say you thought any of that of course, I said "imagine people".
I find it er mildly surprising that you don't give a shiny shite if Nissan closes. In fact I really don't know how to respond to that. I never worked in the yards or mines but I was gutted when they closed due to the impact on other people's lives and my home town which for all its faults I love.

Thats not what he said though, was it? Just keep putting words in other peoples mouths to suit your agenda won't you.....

Well I hope it "helped you get elected". Fuck principles those are for losers.

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Another BS post. I really don't like Blair, but the EEC of 1983 and the EU of today are totally different things and you are allowed to change your position to match changes in the world over a 35 year period. A concept some people have problems with.....

 

[Sam Handwich]

You old people are killing it for the younger generations, well f***ing done little island mentality person.

Tory scum.

I voted OUT and i'm a Corbynite ex miner. How does that stack up in your stereotypical world view.

 

[redgauntlet]

Well I hope it "helped you get elected". Fuck principles those are for losers.

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The biggest losers that I know are gamblers. I am not a Blairite either, policies motivate me, not personalities.

I voted OUT and i'm a Corbynite ex miner. How does that stack up in your stereotypical world view.

Tell us all how this will make you better off?

 

[Narraback]

Any announcement yet? We were told it would be today.

 

[offmenut]

The point you are missing that companies don't shut profitable, efficient, successful factories for nationalistic reasons. The Sunderland plant beats every challenge it is given. If we end up with tariffs then the UK Government is going to have to offset that to enable the factory to remain internally profitable - it will not be able to compete for production is it doesn't maintain its profit per employee rate.

Exactly
As if a CEO will move production from a successful , profitable factory in Sunderland. to one in France, where they strike all the time and the workforce have a 35 hr week, just because it will give jobs to the French and away from the English

The leave vote won because those with outdated and rosy spectacled views of the UK's global standing (mostly over 50's) got out and voted, whereas the youth (who will be most affected by the outcome) failed to do so. That does not make it the right decision, it just makes it a victory for the destruction of interest in the electoral system, driven by the Tories and ultimately ending in victory for something their party wanted for years.

the leave vote won because people hate being told what to do by ‘celebrities’ and people who are well off.
In much the same way that Trump won.
It was a backlash against establishment.

People don’t like being told what to do in a patronising condescending manner, which most remain voters are.

 

[redgauntlet]

Exactly
As if a CEO will move production from a successful , profitable factory in Sunderland. to one in France, where they strike all the time and the workforce have a 35 hr week, just because it will give jobs to the French and away from the English


the leave vote won because people hate being told what to do by ‘celebrities’ and people who are well off.
In much the same way that Trump won.
It was a backlash against establishment.

People don’t like being told what to do in a patronising condescending manner, which most remain voters are.

Two things. 1. These industries are not called footloose for nothing, if things don’t suit they will be off and EU grants will be a help.
You talk about the “better off”, how do you think that you will benefit from brexit? Answer please, not obe of the thousands I have askedhave so far. Bare in mind the collosal bill this will incurr and tgst’s before we settle with Europe.

 

[ANonnyMoose]

I voted OUT and i'm a Corbynite ex miner. How does that stack up in your stereotypical world view.

Then you are another that voted against your best interests. Why? What reasons did you have?

My view isn't "stereotypical" - the person I was originally replying to I got pretty spot on.

 

[Deleted member 28998]

£350 million for the NHS, come on. 75 million Turks about to invade, Cambridge Analytica, And its associates. Rotten to the core, all to save a bit of tax for the richest. How will it benefit you, or I?

Remain played the same numbers game as the Boris bus, only for longer - remember the Norway option? If it was on the side of a bus, it would have read, 'Norway take most EU laws - let's just stay in the EU instead'.

Cameron/Clegg etc. pushed this position, neutralising one of the only sensible exit routes out of the European Union - EEA membership through EFTA and buried it with "leaving the EU means leaving the single market" line. Unfortunately, the whole 'Norway take all EU laws' angle is based on a partially translated report undertaken by the Norwegian government, which is ultimately a red herring.

Even if Norway take most EU laws, they are doing it voluntarily, over and above what is required by the EFTA/EU EEA agreement, which at present, incorporates approximately 25% of the EU acquis. If you believe belive the Boris bus helped Leave get over the line, the the likes of Cameron and Clegg helped to create the abyss it's heading towards.