Nissan

[redgauntlet]

I agree with that point totally. We have been performing well economically and Nissan has been a saviour for this region - Brexit simply puts totally unnecessary hurdles in the way for us to prosper, for no gain in my view. However, I don't see a Renault/Nissan merger as a threat to Nissan Sunderland - Nissan Sunderland will remain open as long as it is internally competitive. In the event of tariffs the UK Government may have to offset the effect of those tariffs - this may annoy people but the cost of 40,000 jobs is way too high for this region to take.


Fair do's. Similarly I worked for a Korean company which moved because it could make more profits in Poland. However, Nissan Sunderland has had the same pressures over the last 34 years and grown and grown. Having worked at Nissan when the Renault alliance started - when they both took a stake in each others company I can't see why a full merger would affect Sunderland - I remember Nissan shutting Japanese factories and keeping Sunderland open because it is so good at what it does - it still leads the world - it has ex-Sunderland people running factories in South Africa, France and the US to my knowledge. It really is a key site. However, if tariffs were introduced and Sunderland had to increase its prices or reduce its profits then it would be under threat because it would not be able to compete internally. Internal competition has driven Nissan from a company teetering on the bring of extinction to a massively successful company that it is today - its not going to change that.

Tell you what, no government that initiates it will ever tell us the total cost of brexit. The I.T. bill alone runs into billions, likewise the legal bill, the bill for customs, harbours and ports, all to save the mega rich paying tax. Absolute madness.

 

[joedurham]

Why the fuck would they send an Engineer to look for a new site? So he has the skills and knowledge to identify a site with the logistics, infrastructure, funding from local government, skill set of the local workforce to influence a decision that will cost Nissan £100M + . FFS

Don't shoot the messenger. I only reported what someone said to me - a guy with no axe to grind or hidden agenda. What kind of engineer his brother is I have no idea. The only thing I know about him is that he has worked a long time in Nissan, Barcelona and was recently over in Morocco.

 

[PinzaC55]

Tell you what, no government that initiates it will ever tell us the total cost of brexit. The I.T. bill alone runs into billions, likewise the legal bill, the bill for customs, harbours and ports, all to save the mega rich paying tax. Absolute madness.

Argument From Ignorance.
"I don't know what X will be, therefore X will be this ".

 

[Jarra Dicka]

I know a cleaner at Nissan who reckons they are changing supplier of the bog rolls ...They are planning long term supply so they must be staying

 

[PinzaC55]

Imagine still thinking that Brexit is a good idea

Imagine people who need Nissan to close in order to validate their anti Brexit view.

 

[Aituk7]

Friend of mine's brother is an engineer with Nissan in Barcelona. Last week he was sent to Tangiers to help look for site of new macro- factory. He says it is direct threat to the future of the Sunderland plant.

God help Sunderland, the region and our club if this is true.

There is no way Nissan are going to have a car factory in Morocco taking jobs from those in Sunderland.

Morocco doesn't have the engineering capabilities nor the money to convince those with the abilities to work there.

 

[redgauntlet]

Argument From Ignorance.
"I don't know what X will be, therefore X will be this ".

At least I live in the real world not in some ideological fantasy like yourself. Why put the future of the entire region at risk, nothing, nothing, is worth that risk. Why vote to empower the tory right which is exactly what you have done? Stand back and see if it is worth it. Everything we do in life has a cost, we need to think before we take in any risk, is it worth it and what is the worst that can happen? Common sense to me, look before you leap.

 

[PinzaC55]

At least I live in the real world not in some ideological fantasy like yourself. Why put the future of the entire region at risk, nothing, nothing, is worth that risk. Why vote to empower the tory right which is exactly what you have done? Stand back and see if it is worth it. Everything we do in life has a cost, we need to think before we take in any risk, is it worth it and what is the worst that can happen? Common sense to me, look before you leap.

It's tragic that you don't realise that you have an ideology. This is one of my main problems with the New Left, the fact that they simply toe the line of their peers or what they see as the consensus view of their peers. Any view which doesn't get a hundred likes on Facebook is rejected. Any left wing view older than 20 years is "1950s thinking".
All of my political views are considered and checked against my other views regardless of whether Jeremy Corbyn thinks they are right.

 

[Beaker]

Anybody heard the latest rumours of them doing Separation by agreement again?

 

[Deleted member 5265]

Anybody heard the latest rumours of them doing Separation by agreement again?

what’s that?

 

[Wullhawar]

Imagine people who need Nissan to close in order to validate their anti Brexit view.

I could not give a shiny shite if it closes or not from a personal impact point of view, the validation of my Brexit view comes from the insane amount of propaganda and bare face lies that were peddled by the out campaign and that a little over 17 million halfwits voted for. It's a backwards step, anyone who thinks otherwise can argue until they are blue in the face, they are wrong....in my own opinion of course

 

[Buchans Boots]

Tell you what, no government that initiates it will ever tell us the total cost of brexit. The I.T. bill alone runs into billions, likewise the legal bill, the bill for customs, harbours and ports, all to save the mega rich paying tax. Absolute madness.

Eh? WTF.

Shouldnt you be delighted that there will be:

more people needed to work in IT
more work for the legal profession
more need for customs officers etc?

 

[Beaker]

what’s that?

Last time they did it they offered staff members with a minimum 7 years service (I think it was 7 but I'm happy to be corrected) £10k or £12k to just up sticks and walk away, they said the money was to allow people to retrain.

There's a lot of rumours of them offering something similar in the near future, however the staff they really want off the books are the ones that won't take the offer.

 

[Deleted member 5265]

Last time they did it they offered staff members with a minimum 7 years service (I think it was 7 but I'm happy to be corrected) £10k or £12k to just up sticks and walk away, they said the money was to allow people to retrain.

There's a lot of rumours of them offering something similar in the near future, however the staff they really want off the books are the ones that won't take the offer.

Thanks for the clarification. So voluntary redundancy by any other name.

 

[Buchans Boots]

I could not give a shiny shite if it closes or not from a personal impact point of view, the validation of my Brexit view comes from the insane amount of propaganda and bare face lies that were peddled by the out campaign and that a little over 17 million halfwits voted for. It's a backwards step, anyone who thinks otherwise can argue until they are blue in the face, they are wrong....in my own opinion of course

There were no bigger liars than Remain. In fact they couldnt stop lying. When you base your entire campaign on lies and tell us that leaving the EU it will lead to WW3 then we know that credibility wasnt their strong point. As for 17m half wits, imagine how many half wits there would have been without Project Fear? 20m?

Not only that but the fact that remain couldnt even entice "half wits" to vote for their cause sums it all up. If you cant get half wits to vote for you then you dont really have much of a case.

The correct decision was made even though the government are dragging their heels over the whole thing because they are utterly incompetent (but still better than wishy washy non working class champagne socialist London run millionaire public school educated Labour by a country mile).

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Last time they did it they offered staff members with a minimum 7 years service (I think it was 7 but I'm happy to be corrected) £10k or £12k to just up sticks and walk away, they said the money was to allow people to retrain.

There's a lot of rumours of them offering something similar in the near future, however the staff they really want off the books are the ones that won't take the offer.

15 years service required @ 2k per year, capped at 15 years if you’ve worked longer. Is what I’m hearing

 

[Beaker]

Thanks for the clarification. So voluntary redundancy by any other name.

Pretty much, not that Nissan would ever allow it to be called that.

They need the big earners on the old pay structure with the big final salary pensions off the books, and there's not a package out there I can see them offering that could tempt any of those to just walk away.

15 years service required @ 2k per year, capped at 15 years if you’ve worked longer. Is what I’m hearing

If that's true, then wouldn't 15 years service be around the last of the old pay scale lot before they restructured?

So they'd be at the top of their pay scale, but not close enough to retire...

 

[Wullhawar]

There were no bigger liars than Remain. In fact they couldnt stop lying. When you base your entire campaign on lies and tell us that leaving the EU it will lead to WW3 then we know that credibility wasnt their strong point. As for 17m half wits, imagine how many half wits there would have been without Project Fear? 20m?

The correct decision was made even though the government are dragging their heels over the whole thing because they are utterly incompetent (but still better than Labour by a country mile).

There were no bigger liars than Remain. - Haway man, are you for real? I may not have wanted to leave, but put the 2 campaigns side by side without your allegiances driving your thinking and try that again. And Project Fear? UKIP's years of campaigning about the impact of those dirty immigrants, those hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians who were coming to get us on the 1st January 2007, etc, was Project fear at it's finest.

The leave vote won because those with outdated and rosy spectacled views of the UK's global standing (mostly over 50's) got out and voted, whereas the youth (who will be most affected by the outcome) failed to do so. That does not make it the right decision, it just makes it a victory for the destruction of interest in the electoral system, driven by the Tories and ultimately ending in victory for something their party wanted for years.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Pretty much, not that Nissan would ever allow it to be called that.

They need the big earners on the old pay structure with the big final salary pensions off the books, and there's not a package out there I can see them offering that could tempt any of those to just walk away.



If that's true, then wouldn't 15 years service be around the last of the old pay scale lot before they restructured?

So they'd be at the top of their pay scale, but not close enough to retire...

Hit the nail on the head mate get rid of the top earners and replace them with lads/lasses on half the salary

 

[PinzaC55]

I could not give a shiny shite if it closes or not from a personal impact point of view, the validation of my Brexit view comes from the insane amount of propaganda and bare face lies that were peddled by the out campaign and that a little over 17 million halfwits voted for. It's a backwards step, anyone who thinks otherwise can argue until they are blue in the face, they are wrong....in my own opinion of course

I didn't say you thought any of that of course, I said "imagine people".
I find it er mildly surprising that you don't give a shiny shite if Nissan closes. In fact I really don't know how to respond to that. I never worked in the yards or mines but I was gutted when they closed due to the impact on other people's lives and my home town which for all its faults I love.