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You don't know that. You are guessing
Moyes poll: should he stay or should he go?
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The Bridge Lad
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508 WUMS I see 
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The #MoyesResurgence is getting stronger mind
.The #MoyesResurgence is getting stronger mind
jonny gently
Winger
We didn't pay up for a clause we agreed in the summer. He then didn't come to the club in January. These are all facts. We also didn't sign him whilst Sam was still here too
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It doesn't mean Short won't pay it though. You are guessing that. You can use all the winks and smiley faces you want but it does change the fact you are trying to change guesswork to fact.We didn't pay up for a clause we agreed in the summer. He then didn't come to the club in January. These are all facts. We also didn't sign him whilst Sam was still here too
Who else is going to make the decision? Seriously connect the dots.
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Bain? Moyes?
Ellis. Short. Is. The. Chairman. That's also guesswork, complete guesswork, as indicated by your question marks. There's only one person likely to refuse to spend money to make us a better team and the realistic response is that's Ellis Short.
Gazoliver
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It's not just Ellis Short who decides who we do or don't sign. In fact, he's probably got quite a small part in it.
I think in this case he was critical. He wasn't willing to pay money up front for a player with 6 months left on his contract, not realizing that we needed him and that we wouldn't get him if we didn't buy him then. He would have been a sellable asset as well. Short thought he knew best and
as usual, he didn't. I think the season shows it was a big mistake.
Ale taster
Winger
Why, that he has to start well next season of course. I've said all along, below mid-table at the turn of the year then he's history. Promotion the following season and back in the Premiership for year 4 of his contract.What exactly do we agree on?
NOTHING LESS WILL DO.
We now also seem to agree he's here for the long haul.
Two things we agree on young'un
It's Moyes' fault Short has completely mismanaged this club yknarrrrWhy, that he has to start well next season of course. I've said all along, below mid-table at the turn of the year then he's history. Promotion the following season and back in the Premiership for year 4 of his contract.
NOTHING LESS WILL DO.
We now also seem to agree he's here for the long haul.
Two things we agree on young'un
I wonder why these posters are voting for Moyes to stay?
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Guess work again. The difference between my guess work and yours is you are being quite categoric about Short, where I'm saying it could also be Bain or Moyes calling the shots on transfers
We didn't pay up for a clause we agreed in the summer. He then didn't come to the club in January. These are all facts. We also didn't sign him whilst Sam was still here too
Look at all the other PL clubs who've been chasing M'Vila
Truth is he's better than what we have (hard not to be) but he was very average for us last season. After a bright start he all but vanished IMO
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Again, you are being quite categoric with what you are saying here when in fact you don't have a clue. Again just guessing.
jonny gently
Winger
Erm you been tasting that Ale? That there is a huge leap of faith marra given his trial run has been somewhat tarnished and that's being very kind. I'm still hoping Shorty comes to his senses and bins the boring bassa.Why, that he has to start well next season of course. I've said all along, below mid-table at the turn of the year then he's history. Promotion the following season and back in the Premiership for year 4 of his contract.
NOTHING LESS WILL DO.
We now also seem to agree he's here for the long haul.
Two things we agree on young'un
There's a shitload of currency put into those Everton and Chelsea games considering both of those teams didn't give a single fuck about fighting for any sort of position in those games.
Everton players in particular were actively trying to shift their manager.
It's like us putting stock in the 5-1 game against Spurs at the end of the season when it's massively irrelevant after their heads had gone against Chelsea during the previous week.
Everton players in particular were actively trying to shift their manager.
It's like us putting stock in the 5-1 game against Spurs at the end of the season when it's massively irrelevant after their heads had gone against Chelsea during the previous week.
Chelsea were up for the game. They took the lead twice but the crowd willed the team to victory. Once we took the lead at 3-2 they maybe were a little flat.
Everton on the other hand were a disgrace. They were the worst Everton side I've ever seen play us. After the Chelsea game I fancied us to beat them anyway but they did roll over.
You simply can't compare it to your game against Spurs as there was no pressure on either team. It was a dead rubber.
DaveH
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The reasons for defending him seem to be 'great CV, look what he did at Everton', 'lets have some stability' and 'we can't afford to sack him'. The first seems to ignore that he is failing to get anywhere near the best out of the players at his disposal, with flat lifeless performances and frankly absurd substitutions. What do they see that makes them think he can build an organised, fighting team to get us back out of the Championship? They are seeing something in our play that I am not. Every manager has his day unfortunately. We would have been mad to hold on to Wilkinson, but he had a better CV and history in the game. We all love Reid for what he did here, but he started to struggle and has never managed in the Premier League since. I think that tells you something. It looks like Moyes has gone the same way and expired his sell-by date.
The second about stability, most supporting him accept that we are going down but want to keep Moyes for stability. Losing our league status along with any of our decent players, leaving the club completely Rodwelled financially, is as about as unstable as we can get.
While I am not an expert on the club finances, I believe sacking him will cost £4-6m, as reported on here. Relegation will cost us at least £60m.
If we gamble, bring someone in and it saves us, then we are £56m better off than we would otherwise be, but be back in the same situation of changing manager, wanting their own team etc. However it will be in that situation in the Premier League, rather than building a new team with Championship players that will need shipping out if we do manage to come back up.
If we gamble and lose, we will be £6m worse off but will hopefully have brought in a manager who we can have confidence in that can build a promotion team.
Sadly it seems clear now that we are stuck with Moyes and I am not aware of anyone who thinks Sunderland will survive this season. It seems like madness to hold on to him, but that is Sunderland for you.
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