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KP Retires
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Buchans Boots
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A class act
KP not being liked is just typical of England at football or cricket and one of the reasons why the likes of clough never managed England
Anyone who is full of themselves and talented is, as always, ditched and disliked
However if you are crap but a right canny lad yes that’s just fine and you fit in with the bunch of losers that we usually turn out
KP not being liked is just typical of England at football or cricket and one of the reasons why the likes of clough never managed England
Anyone who is full of themselves and talented is, as always, ditched and disliked
However if you are crap but a right canny lad yes that’s just fine and you fit in with the bunch of losers that we usually turn out
Injured for the key moments
I am well aware of that, I went to them all
Its really not typical like
Brian Clough was very popular, you can't say Pietersen was
His book attacked the captain and called our new ball bowlers bullies
Aye nothing to see here.....
Exactly. I was actually a big fan of Pietersen at one stage, it started to turn when he tried to get Moores sacked, ended up getting sacked himself.
Then when we had the best team in the world, just because he wasnt the most important man, he started slagging off his captain to his SA team mates.
That was the stage when I switched, and IMO he should have been sacked there and then. Fair play to Cook for bringing him back, he is a bigger man than me
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Thebumble
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Sorry Johnson.. appropriate really
What?
So you wouldn't call the first two Test Matches key moments?
We were 1-0 up after two.
We drew 1-1 in the remaining three.
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Thebumble
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Sorry Johnson
Its a shame that you just resort to this nonsense when having a normal discussion about cricket, ruins the thread.
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stephen cartwright
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as i said, nothing in the book, was unknown when it was published. It was schoolboy stuff, which is appropriate when reading your contributions
scotch
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Vaughan.flintoff.harmison.trott.jones.giles.Collingwood- all full of praise for KP and what he brought to the team and his attitude etc. (All pre swann/broad/Anderson era)
Strauss - as captain -KP felt let down with the anti-KP antics, not to mention Flower didn't get on with him either.
Cook when he hopefully gets round to a book will be very interesting to see what he says on KP. As like Strauss he played alongside kp with both generations of the team.
Strauss - as captain -KP felt let down with the anti-KP antics, not to mention Flower didn't get on with him either.
Cook when he hopefully gets round to a book will be very interesting to see what he says on KP. As like Strauss he played alongside kp with both generations of the team.
Spot on
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cook would never ever right a book and slag off players like that, just not in his nature
Strauss and Flower created the best team in the world
Whatever they did was 100% right
You are right, and its a good point, there was a change, but there had to be. Strauss almost had less talent to work with, and had to mold a disciplined, systematic team, he didn't have 4 90mph bowlers, he was a brilliant captain.
KP absolutely cocked the captaincy up, bound to have made him jealous of Strauss.
Eh? Have you actually read his book
He absolutely tore apart one of our most succesful ever captains, our current captain, our wicket keeper, and our new ball bowling attack.
There are numerous things. He told the coach and selectors to drop James Taylor as he thought he was nowhere near good enough
When he wanted a recall he was also on twitter slagging off Mo Ali about how he wasn;t good enough spin bowler
You may call me childish, but I am not a 35 year old cricketer with 100 caps, he is, and it is why he was dropped and wasn't recalled
They got 100 caps out of him, which is a miracle.
I am not sure why you think its unknown, you seem to have disliked Anderson and Broad as much as him? As it wasn't certainly known to me.
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Fulwell Mackem
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Can I play devils advocate here and ask if Alex Hales, Tim Bresnan and Stuart Broad should have been sacked for their involvement in the KP parody account on twitter?
To me that's alot worse than anything Pietersen said in his book.
To me that's alot worse than anything Pietersen said in his book.
“Wasn’t proven” in the largest inverted commas known to man
KP was a mouthy fucka who would call people out if he thought they weren’t good enough, that doesn’t go down well amongst a lot of precious egos, nor does one bloke getting a fortune for an IPL contract whilst the rest were totally ignored. It wasn’t just KP who had an ego as much as people would have you believe it to be the case.
He was a player just ahead of his time and a lot of England players are now feeling the benefit of his own misfortunes in terms of playing in the various T/20 franchises.
Voice of fair play
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“Wasn’t proven” in the largest inverted commas known to man
KP was a mouthy fucka who would call people out if he thought they weren’t good enough, that doesn’t go down well amongst a lot of precious egos, nor does one bloke getting a fortune for an IPL contract whilst the rest were totally ignored. It wasn’t just KP who had an ego as much as people would have you believe it to be the case.
He was a player just ahead of his time and a lot of England players are now feeling the benefit of his own misfortunes in terms of playing in the various T/20 franchises.
It is proven that IPL is worth a lot of money to players nowadays, I for one certainly don't blame any player wanting to play to packed stadiums in the IPL earning a lot of coin, rather than spend a cold April day at Derby.
Buts let's not get ahead of ourselves, KP was not a player ahead of his time he just saw the money and wanted it!!
KP had nothing to do whatsoever with England players now feeling the benefit from it!!
It was inevitable the likes of Buttler and Stokes would end up playing there with their enormous talent, to suggest KP had anything to do with that is just way over the top imo.
It’s not mind. If KP has merely toed the party line then someone else would’ve eventually crossed swords with the hierarchy as it’s just too much money to turn down. If someone like Broad (who put himself in hat when KP was at his height) had found himself a buyer then who knows how it would’ve ended up playing out, as it was KP was an odd man out which IMO attracted a lot of jealousy and resentment in a dressing room full of egos. He was very much ahead of his time in terms of the ECB acknowledging the importance of these deals to the players. Make no mistake that played a huge part in things turning pear shaped within that dressing room for him.
Voice of fair play
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Maybe I miss understood what you were saying as agree it was absolutely inevitable the ECB would have had to let England players play there at some point
It's the suggestion that he was part of the reason that England players are in the IPL now, is what I object to ,and that he was some kind of pioneer to making that happen!!
It was just a question of when that happened and not if and KP had nothing to do with it happening as it would have naturally happened even if he never played cricket for England.
KP knocked the door down though, yes it would’ve always happened but he made the path a lot easier. It would’ve been a lot easier path to start with had he not been out on his own and a few other England players were as in demand as he was.
Voice of fair play
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I am sure they were other players about at the same time who the IPL will have wanted Flintoff springs to mind.
Will have to agree to disagree as I don't think he made it easier, it was just a question of the ECB moving with the times, as we know they can be stuck in the dark ages.
Of course he was right what he was saying at the time, however don't think it was him who forced the change of thinking.
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