KP Retires

[Mrjardine]

I am sure they were other players about at the same time who the IPL will have wanted Flintoff springs to mind.

Will have to agree to disagree as I don't think he made it easier, it was just a question of the ECB moving with the times, as we know they can be stuck in the dark ages.

Of course he was right what he was saying at the time, however don't think it was him who forced the change of thinking.

Flintoff was fading out the England fold at that time, Morgan got a gig but he was only a bit part player in comparison to KP. He played a big part in the change of thinking but it would’ve been easier had others have been in demand as well at the time.

 

[TopCat]

He was anything but “meh” mind.
To suggest he wouldn’t even be close to an all time England XI is nonsense as well. He might not make everyone’s but he’d certainly merit a discussion. People really are allowing their dislike of him to cloud their judgement.

You're right of course. I cannot stand the bloke, a bell end of the highest order with an ego 10 times bigger than his (amazing) ability as a batsman. He was a phenomenal player at his peak, but the moment he started texting the opposition, slagging off his Captain was the end for me. He should never have played for England again after that unbelievable betrayal.

 

[The Rat]

You're right of course. I cannot stand the bloke, a bell end of the highest order with an ego 10 times bigger than his (amazing) ability as a batsman. He was a phenomenal player at his peak, but the moment he started texting the opposition, slagging off his Captain was the end for me. He should never have played for England again after that unbelievable betrayal.

I totally agree, I'll never get my head round people supporting him after he did that

each to their own though

 

[SteveB]

A class act

KP not being liked is just typical of England at football or cricket and one of the reasons why the likes of clough never managed England

Anyone who is full of themselves and talented is, as always, ditched and disliked

However if you are crap but a right canny lad yes that’s just fine and you fit in with the bunch of losers that we usually turn out

George honeyman likes this englishness. Sorry but could not resist. Cricket forum or not it is spot on observation.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

One of the best

 

[Mrjardine]

You're right of course. I cannot stand the bloke, a bell end of the highest order with an ego 10 times bigger than his (amazing) ability as a batsman. He was a phenomenal player at his peak, but the moment he started texting the opposition, slagging off his Captain was the end for me. He should never have played for England again after that unbelievable betrayal.

I take it you’ve never been pissed off with your gaffers and gave them a lashing then? I’d say we’ve all done it if we are being honest. Do you think Botham wasn’t slagging off the ECB and bending Viv Richards lug about it when on tour? As I’ve said before if I was captaining KP he could call me whatever he likes if he batted like he did at headingley, the match in which the texts took place.

 

[dangermows]

Absolutely love him me. Easily one of our greatest ever players, and a rare talent in that he could change/win a game on his own. Stuck it up the Eton boys anarl. Disliked by those who lacked the skills required to manage him.

 

[Mrjardine]

Absolutely love him me. Easily one of our greatest ever players, and a rare talent in that he could change/win a game on his own. Stuck it up the Eton boys anarl. Disliked by those who lacked the skills required to manage him.

I don’t mind Strauss but that interview he done after KP scored his triple century was one of most pitiful things I’ve seen. He just rambled on for about 20 minutes without actually saying anything

 

[dangermows]

I don’t mind Strauss but that interview he done after KP scored his triple century was one of most pitiful things I’ve seen. He just rambled on for about 20 minutes without actually saying anything

Seething inside.

I don’t mind Strauss but that interview he done after KP scored his triple century was one of most pitiful things I’ve seen. He just rambled on for about 20 minutes without actually saying anything

People wanting him sacked for slagging off the captain. You'd think it was a group of lasses on Facebook Cole and Sheringham absolute despised each other. Didnt stop them being professional and helping Man Utd win the treble.

Whatever anyone thinks of him as a bloke I’m surprised this hasn’t been acknowledged on here. A phenomenal talent who would get in most people’s all time England XIs in all formats.
His innings against South Africa at headingley is arguably the best I’ve seen from on England player, Gooch at the same venue against windies is probably only one I can think of that may trump it.
Without doubt an England legend.

Personally preferred his 150 in Colombo, in that it put to bed the myth he wasnt prepared to grind out an innings for the team.

 

[TopCat]

I take it you’ve never been pissed off with your gaffers and gave them a lashing then? I’d say we’ve all done it if we are being honest. Do you think Botham wasn’t slagging off the ECB and bending Viv Richards lug about it when on tour? As I’ve said before if I was captaining KP he could call me whatever he likes if he batted like he did at headingley, the match in which the texts took place.

There is a difference (IMHO) in slagging off the ECB and betraying the trust of the dressing room. There should have been no way back after that

 

[Mrjardine]

There is a difference (IMHO) in slagging off the ECB and betraying the trust of the dressing room. There should have been no way back after that

So you seriously think he’s the only England player to have ever slagged off his captain? The only difference is he was caught doing it.
Saying your captain is a ‘doos’ is hardly crime of the century either.
The one thing I did find overly precious was his comments about the bowlers twisting at the fielders for dropped catches and misfields. That smacked of complaining for complaining sake.

 

[Bri]

So. Strauss is on Tuffers and Vaughan tonight talking about KP. Everyone will be tuning in right?

(not me)

 

[Voice of fair play]

I take it you’ve never been pissed off with your gaffers and gave them a lashing then? I’d say we’ve all done it if we are being honest. Do you think Botham wasn’t slagging off the ECB and bending Viv Richards lug about it when on tour? As I’ve said before if I was captaining KP he could call me whatever he likes if he batted like he did at headingley, the match in which the texts took place.

You simply trying to justify something that is clearly wrong, whether somebody has done it before is irrevalant, either way two wrongs don't make a right, he was clearly wrong and out of order,whichever way you want to colour coat it.

Trying to justify clearly out of order behaviour just because he has undoubted talent, does not really send the right message.

So it's ok to act like a total arsehole as long as you a good player?

Absolutely love him me. Easily one of our greatest ever players, and a rare talent in that he could change/win a game on his own. Stuck it up the Eton boys anarl. Disliked by those who lacked the skills required to manage him.

Why does he need managing, is it not possible to be a class talented player,but at same time respect your team mates and your captain?

I am sure it is?

 

[Mrjardine]

You simply trying to justify something that is clearly wrong, whether somebody has done it before is irrevalant, either way two wrongs don't make a right, he was clearly wrong and out of order,whichever way you want to colour coat it.

Trying to justify clearly out of order behaviour just because he has undoubted talent, does not really send the right message.

So it's ok to act like a total arsehole as long as you a good player?



Why does he need managing, is it not possible to be a class talented player,but at same time respect your team mates and your captain?

I am sure it is?

Lots of things are wrong, Strauss slating him live on air is wrong, the parody Twitter account was wrong, Botham smoking pot was wrong, Stokes chasing after a retreating figure to dish out more punishment was wrong. We can go on all day but there’s different levels of what is wrong and what KP did was the sort of thing that will have happened time and time again. Somewhere now there’ll be a Captain getting criticised by his team mates, it happens.
Is it ideal? Of course not, did it need addressing? Absolutely. Did it merit the carry on it did? Not a chance.

What did he do that was going on like a complete arsehole? I’m yet to hear anything other than this calling Strauss stuff. Oh and ‘trust issues’ which to this day nobody had elaborated on.

 

[TopCat]

So you seriously think he’s the only England player to have ever slagged off his captain? The only difference is he was caught doing it.
Saying your captain is a ‘doos’ is hardly crime of the century either.
The one thing I did find overly precious was his comments about the bowlers twisting at the fielders for dropped catches and misfields. That smacked of complaining for complaining sake.

Other people doing it, caught or otherwise is irrelevant, im talking about Pietsrsen and him sending secret texts to his mates in the opposition dressing room.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Lots of things are wrong, Strauss slating him live on air is wrong, the parody Twitter account was wrong, Botham smoking pot was wrong, Stokes chasing after a retreating figure to dish out more punishment was wrong. We can go on all day but there’s different levels of what is wrong and what KP did was the sort of thing that will have happened time and time again. Somewhere now there’ll be a Captain getting criticised by his team mates, it happens.
Is it ideal? Of course not, did it need addressing? Absolutely. Did it merit the carry on it did? Not a chance.

What did he do that was going on like a complete arsehole? I’m yet to hear anything other than this calling Strauss stuff. Oh and ‘trust issues’ which to this day nobody had elaborated on.

I think we been over this, but the difference with KP and Stokes and Strauss for example ( is their mistakes seem to be one offs).

Where this bloke seems to fall out with every second bloke he meets, his list of falling outs is a long as your arm.

Sometimes in one off situations there is a clash of personalities, other times there is personalities who fall out with a lot of people, KP is obviously in the former.

The very fact somebody with his undoubted talent was dropped from a team he was clearly good enough to be in should tell everybody what they need to know.

Cricket at international level is a very high pressurised game and any country and any captain wants to field their best team, yet our country and our captain decided not to pick one of our best players!!

You can draw you own conclusions from that I know what mine is!!

 

[The Rat]

Absolutely love him me. Easily one of our greatest ever players, and a rare talent in that he could change/win a game on his own. Stuck it up the Eton boys anarl. Disliked by those who lacked the skills required to manage him.

And by most of the general public

I think we been over this, but the difference with KP and Stokes and Strauss for example ( is their mistakes seem to be one offs).

Where this bloke seems to fall out with every second bloke he meets, his list of falling outs is a long as your arm.

Sometimes in one off situations there is a clash of personalities, other times there is personalities who fall out with a lot of people, KP is obviously in the former.

The very fact somebody with his undoubted talent was dropped from a team he was clearly good enough to be in should tell everybody what they need to know.

Cricket at international level is a very high pressurised game and any country and any captain wants to field their best team, yet our country and our captain decided not to pick one of our best players!!

You can draw you own conclusions from that I know what mine is!!

He’s fallen out with every team he has played in right from junior level

Yet it’s not his fault obviously

Lots of things are wrong, Strauss slating him live on air is wrong, the parody Twitter account was wrong, Botham smoking pot was wrong, Stokes chasing after a retreating figure to dish out more punishment was wrong. We can go on all day but there’s different levels of what is wrong and what KP did was the sort of thing that will have happened time and time again. Somewhere now there’ll be a Captain getting criticised by his team mates, it happens.
Is it ideal? Of course not, did it need addressing? Absolutely. Did it merit the carry on it did? Not a chance.

What did he do that was going on like a complete arsehole? I’m yet to hear anything other than this calling Strauss stuff. Oh and ‘trust issues’ which to this day nobody had elaborated on.

You don’t text opposition players slagging off your captain and giving away team secrets

I mean just indefensible behaviour

Just about the worst thing you can possibly do it an a team environment

 

[stephen cartwright]

I think we been over this, but the difference with KP and Stokes and Strauss for example ( is their mistakes seem to be one offs).

Where this bloke seems to fall out with every second bloke he meets, his list of falling outs is a long as your arm.

Sometimes in one off situations there is a clash of personalities, other times there is personalities who fall out with a lot of people, KP is obviously in the former.

The very fact somebody with his undoubted talent was dropped from a team he was clearly good enough to be in should tell everybody what they need to know.

Cricket at international level is a very high pressurised game and any country and any captain wants to field their best team, yet our country and our captain decided not to pick one of our best players!!

You can draw you own conclusions from that I know what mine is!!

Indeed, blinkered

 

[dangermows]

Imagine as a paying spectator and fan of the sport giving a toss what he is like in the dressing room

You simply trying to justify something that is clearly wrong, whether somebody has done it before is irrevalant, either way two wrongs don't make a right, he was clearly wrong and out of order,whichever way you want to colour coat it.

Trying to justify clearly out of order behaviour just because he has undoubted talent, does not really send the right message.

So it's ok to act like a total arsehole as long as you a good player?



Why does he need managing, is it not possible to be a class talented player,but at same time respect your team mates and your captain?

I am sure it is?

Sometimes that's not how it works though and the best players often have egos and need to be treat differently, which is accepted as they can win a game on their own. See Cantona and Fergusons management of him as a prime example.

Is rather have difficult world class players than fall in line plodders put it that way.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Imagine as a paying spectator and fan of the sport giving a toss what he is like in the dressing room



Sometimes that's not how it works though and the best players often have egos and need to be treat differently, which is accepted as they can win a game on their own. See Cantona and Fergusons management of him as a prime example.

Is rather have difficult world class players than fall in line plodders put it that way.

I would rather have world class players who are class on the field and class of it.