Jeremy Bamber White House Farm...Innocent or Evil scumbag?

Roker Skate

Goalkeeper
Who got the farm and and money after the conviction?
There's two videos on this link. One called the money trail and one called Bamber and Speakmen estates.


In short, the beneficiaries were prosecution witnesses who allegedly unearthed the silencer evidence (that Ballistics and burns experts don't believe was even used).
 

rakuga

Full Back
When we talk about police stitching someone up for a crime, it's normally because they don't have any leads and are under pressure for a conviction. Given that they had already reached a conclusion that was agreed amongst the police and satisfied the public initially, what would be the motivation for switching their focus to Jeremy? I read something earlier in the thread about pressure from other family members, but can't really believe the police would give much of a shit about that, particularly with a wrapped case. Apologies if that has been mentioned and answered earlier.

Regards that crime scene picture, obviously it's not my area of expertise, but can't see how those are fingernail scratches? The 'crescent' that the initial fingernail entry would make is upsidedown on each 'scratch'...the edges should be pointing down in the direction of the scratch, not up and away from it. To me it very much looks like a congealed, dried river of blood that has ended in a drop - but it has flaked or rubbed off when dry, possibly by someone moving her hands after the event. Again, unless I've misunderstood previous posts, why hasn't the autopsy report clearly noted fingernail scratches? Did they find skin or blood under the fingernails of whoever did it supposedly (Neville?)?
 
...the silencer evidence (that Ballistics and burns experts don't believe was even used).
The CCRC reviewed the case for seven years from 2004 to 2011 before dismissing this evidence as insufficient.

The CCRC decision was subjected a Judicial Review in 2012 and their conclusions are provided in the link.

It's only nine pages so not too long a read.
 
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Roker Skate

Goalkeeper
When we talk about police stitching someone up for a crime, it's normally because they don't have any leads and are under pressure for a conviction. Given that they had already reached a conclusion that was agreed amongst the police and satisfied the public initially, what would be the motivation for switching their focus to Jeremy? I read something earlier in the thread about pressure from other family members, but can't really believe the police would give much of a shit about that, particularly with a wrapped case. Apologies if that has been mentioned and answered earlier.

Regards that crime scene picture, obviously it's not my area of expertise, but can't see how those are fingernail scratches? The 'crescent' that the initial fingernail entry would make is upsidedown on each 'scratch'...the edges should be pointing down in the direction of the scratch, not up and away from it. To me it very much looks like a congealed, dried river of blood that has ended in a drop - but it has flaked or rubbed off when dry, possibly by someone moving her hands after the event. Again, unless I've misunderstood previous posts, why hasn't the autopsy report clearly noted fingernail scratches? Did they find skin or blood under the fingernails of whoever did it supposedly (Neville?)?
Good post. Will try and reply soon.
The CCRC reviewed the case for seven years from 2004 to 2011 before dismissing this evidence as insufficient.

The CCRC decision was subjected a Judicial Review in 2012 and their conclusions are provided in the link.

It's only nine pages so not too long a read.
The CCRC is regarded as a fig leaf. Research it.
 
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hoggs11

Central Defender
I belive the farm was a church commissioners farm, so the bambers were tenants. I don't know what else they owned but the land and house wouldn't have gone to Jeremy to sell
 
The CCRC is regarded as a fig leaf. Research it.
The link is to the Judicial Review in 2012 of the CCRC decision in 2011 regarding the evidence you keep posting as fact. One of your experts sent a letter that was quarter of a page in length with an even shorter follow up letter that concluded further tests were required. I doubt if that depth of expert opinion would impress anyone let alone the Court of Appeal.
 

Roker Skate

Goalkeeper
The link is to the Judicial Review in 2012 of the CCRC decision in 2011 regarding the evidence you keep posting as fact. One of your experts sent a letter that was quarter of a page in length with an even shorter follow up letter that concluded further tests were required. I doubt if that depth of expert opinion would impress anyone let alone the Court of Appeal.
Will reply properly next week some time. There are several issues I think you are misrepresenting, not deliberately.
 

Nukehasslefan

Full Back
Imagine getting up at about 6:30am, likely all week, getting to the farm to start work at 7:30am and, whilst having a few small breaks, being in a tractor all day in a field, hot and sticky, until 9:30 at night, then asking your dad to finish off the last load.
Up for 15 hours by this point and then travelling back home to then change clothing and cycle all the way back to the farm to commit the 5 murders, ensuring everything was in place enough to ensure police will figure it to be a murder/suicide and then cycling back home without anyone seeing him to and from on the bike and all in darkness.

Then having another shower and watching some TV plus having food before going to bed, setting the alarm to wake him up so he could call the police to make out Nevill phoned him and then make his way back to the farm..... this time in his car.

Possible?
I'm not so sure.

I'm also not so sure Sheila could've done it, either.

And although I'm unsure, I'll still put stuff up that can maybe give food for thought to other who may be able to put something extra to it that may help my mindset on what really went on leading up to and after the murders..
 

rentaghost

Striker
Imagine getting up at about 6:30am, likely all week, getting to the farm to start work at 7:30am and, whilst having a few small breaks, being in a tractor all day in a field, hot and sticky, until 9:30 at night, then asking your dad to finish off the last load.
Up for 15 hours by this point and then travelling back home to then change clothing and cycle all the way back to the farm to commit the 5 murders, ensuring everything was in place enough to ensure police will figure it to be a murder/suicide and then cycling back home without anyone seeing him to and from on the bike and all in darkness.

Then having another shower and watching some TV plus having food before going to bed, setting the alarm to wake him up so he could call the police to make out Nevill phoned him and then make his way back to the farm..... this time in his car.

Possible?
I'm not so sure.

I'm also not so sure Sheila could've done it, either.

And although I'm unsure, I'll still put stuff up that can maybe give food for thought to other who may be able to put something extra to it that may help my mindset on what really went on leading up to and after the murders..
Yes I definitely think its easily possible. How challenging a day he had on the farm isn't really a deal breaker like. If he had planned those murders he would have been adrenaline fuelled.
 

Jon Dough

Central Defender
Yes I definitely think its easily possible. How challenging a day he had on the farm isn't really a deal breaker like. If he had planned those murders he would have been adrenaline fuelled.
Focused,knowing exactly what needed to be done,and the pecuniary gain that would result.
 
Imagine getting up at about 6:30am, likely all week, getting to the farm to start work at 7:30am and, whilst having a few small breaks, being in a tractor all day in a field, hot and sticky, until 9:30 at night, then asking your dad to finish off the last load.
Up for 15 hours by this point and then travelling back home to then change clothing and cycle all the way back to the farm to commit the 5 murders, ensuring everything was in place enough to ensure police will figure it to be a murder/suicide and then cycling back home without anyone seeing him to and from on the bike and all in darkness.

Then having another shower and watching some TV plus having food before going to bed, setting the alarm to wake him up so he could call the police to make out Nevill phoned him and then make his way back to the farm..... this time in his car.

Possible?
I'm not so sure....
He did have a liking for cocaine. Did he have a blood test after the murders? He was a physically fit 24 year old who was used to sitting on a tractor for long periods.

Opposed to Sheila who was diagnosed as schizophrenic and on anti-psychotics/major tranquillisers which have the side effect, among others, of shaking that would be prevalent due to her running out of the medication for the side effects. She was described by Bamber himself as lethargic and vacant prior to the killings but this shaking, uncoordinated schizophrenic is alleged to have had a psychotic episode in which she fired 25 shots none of which missed and reloaded at least twice without dropping a single bullet onto the floor. Now that is cool as ice in a stressful situation. In fact I bet many trained marines would appreciate how cool that is especially for someone who had never handled a rifle in her life.

In fact I'm beginning to wonder whether Jeremy could have even done that, without an extra pre-loaded magazine.
....and where did she get those extra 5 bullets from...
 
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Nukehasslefan

Full Back
He did have a liking for cocaine. Did he have a blood test after the murders? He was a physically fit 24 year old who was used to sitting on a tractor for long periods.

Opposed to Sheila who was diagnosed as schizophrenic and on anti-psychotics/major tranquillisers which have the side effect, among others, of shaking that would be prevalent due to her running out of the medication for the side effects. She was described by Bamber himself as lethargic and vacant prior to the killings but this shaking, uncoordinated schizophrenic is alleged to have had a psychotic episode in which she fired 25 shots none of which missed and reloaded at least twice without dropping a single bullet onto the floor. Now that is cool as ice in a stressful situation. In fact I bet many trained marines would appreciate how cool that is especially for someone who had never handled a rifle in her life.

In fact I'm beginning to wonder whether Jeremy could have even done that, without an extra pre-loaded magazine.
I don't recall him being tested but I do agree with you that Sheila doesn't appear likely to have done it and Jeremy doesn't either.
BUT.....
Someone has or some people have. Now whether it's Jeremy and an accomplice? Possible and possible Jeremy was telling Julie Mugford of the assassin. Possible.

I just find it all a bit too odd.
I could certainly go with an assassin type who has no compunction about taking out the kids. I seriously cannot see Sheila or even Jeremy doing that......but....but. This is the issue. I don't know him nor Sheila, nor the dad.
What's to say there isn't a massive twist in this carry on. A twist that's maybe so far out as to never warrant a thought.

I have a few potentials that may be close or so far away as to be worthless.
 
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