Ian Bell

[The Rat]

Didnt expect to be called a nutter for saying Vernon Philander bowls pies but hey, it’s Saturday night. All good.

you said Steve Smith would average 18 in the 90s

called Dale Steyn garbage

= nutter

 

[mackembhoy]

all kinds of shite here ^^^

Ahh haway man. Not fit to be spoken of in the same thread as some of the bowlers I mentioned. Net bowlers by comparison.

someone chucking vernon philander in too

What's funny about philander over 200 wickets at 22. Bowled his side to a series victory in Australia a place where plenty of pace bowlers have failed.

 

[Parkside]

f***ing hell man

Its just amazing how bad your takes are on things

scored the 3rd most test 100s ever for England, but aye he was "missing"

what a load of total and utter shite


Ian Bell is an England great

there is absolutely no debate about that.

Averages 35 from 66inns v Australia with 4 centuries. Averages don't lie over that number of innings. That doesn't make him a great imo.
Just an opinion, of course.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Philander was a superb bowler, I’m surprised anyone disagrees

 

[The Rat]

Averages 35 from 66inns v Australia with 4 centuries. Averages don't lie over that number of innings. That doesn't make him a great imo.
Just an opinion, of course.

why is Australia being used at the yardstick?

 

[Why sack Durban]

Averages 35 from 66inns v Australia with 4 centuries. Averages don't lie over that number of innings. That doesn't make him a great imo.
Just an opinion, of course.

22 Hundreds do . Weight of runs and the way he got them.

 

[TheRey]

22 Hundreds do . Weight of runs and the way he got them.

It's one of those debates I guess that'll always rumble on.
For me, no doubting his talent. But I felt was a bit of a flat track bully. Definitely in the list of very good England players, but not quite a great

 

[The Rat]

It's one of those debates I guess that'll always rumble on.
For me, no doubting his talent. But I felt was a bit of a flat track bully. Definitely in the list of very good England players, but not quite a great

your hero only scored 1 more 100 than him

22 100s makes you a flat track bully, remarkable

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

It’s a funny one this.

did he quite fulfil his potential? Probably not.
was he a superb player? Yeah

feels a bit like Rooney. You feel there was more there despite the achievements

 

[Mackem DJ]

you said Steve Smith would average 18 in the 90s

Might be less tbh shuffling over them stumps every other ball. Would have been a walking wicket.

Philander was a superb bowler, I’m surprised anyone disagrees

Not in the same league as the other names I mentioned thar. For me, nutter that I am.

 

[Silly Point]

Nutters, racists and trolls. That’s all this board is. Why do I even bother coming on

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Might be less tbh shuffling over them stumps every other ball. Would have been a walking wicket.

Not in the same league as the other names I mentioned thar. For me, nutter that I am.

Disagree personally, he was superb

 

[The Rat]

Might be less tbh shuffling over them stumps every other ball. Would have been a walking wicket.

Not in the same league as the other names I mentioned thar. For me, nutter that I am.

yeah crickets not for you mate

 

[chopsfc007]

yeah crickets not for you mate

No need

 

[Paddy O'Dors]

My view on attacks

Australia - it’s truly superb. Obviously misses a genius like Warne, but Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc are quality in any era

England - still way too reliant on Broad and Anderson. Some potential, but outside of these two greats it’s unproven (Woakes in England aside)

India - probably their best attack ever. Certainly their best pace attack

South Africa - on the wane. 5 years ago it was exceptional, but Steyn, Philander and Morkel leaving (and Ntini before that) weakens any attack. Rabada ie exceptional

NZ - Boult and Southee are getting older, but super cricketers. Wagner weirdly gets a lot of wickets. Ferguson needs blooding over Henry imo

West Indies - better than I probably gave them credit for, but not vintage by any stretch. Like Gabriel a lot

Pakistan - potentially the best attack in the world. Pace, height, metronomic accuracy. And a leggie. Love them

Rabada is good but conceding 4 an over at test level, he'll never be a great.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Rabada is good but conceding 4 an over at test level, he'll never be a great.

Wasn’t aware it was that high. But he takes his wickets at less than 23, and we’re in an era of attacking batting

Just had a look, 2nd best post war strike rate

after Shane Bond, such a shame he was so injury prone

 

[Sandboy]

Beautiful batsman, always enjoyed watching him

 

[Silly Point]

yeah crickets not for you mate

It’s a game for everyone, and everyone who follows it has an opinion and no one is right or wrong. That’s the beauty of it

 

[Parkside]

It's one of those debates I guess that'll always rumble on.
For me, no doubting his talent. But I felt was a bit of a flat track bully. Definitely in the list of very good England players, but not quite a great

Stats back that up.

 

[TheRey]

It’s a game for everyone, and everyone who follows it has an opinion and no one is right or wrong. That’s the beauty of it

Shouting into an empty void there mate