How can we defeat Covid-19 ?

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Grammar Police said:
You are expecting people to think logically here.

Therefore - no chance.
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In France and Spain they're upwards of 10,000 cases a day. Last time 'round, there were graphs being put up on here on a regular basis showing the trajectory of various countries with people wondering whether or not we would follow that same course, and it turned out worse here. As of yesterday, we're on the same trajectory as both of those countries again. 'Doesn't take a genius to work out what is probably coming if people don't do more to take care of themselves and the people around them. I was reading yesterday that the current rate of increase suggests we will be around the peak of infections last time 'round by mid-October. 'Probably a similar time frame. Last time the peak was mid April after it had been floating around since the beginning of February. This time we opened up mid July and to mid October that's an extra month but if you take into account that not everything opened up mid July then that accounts for a bit of a longer time frame. So, if infections are going to increase at similar rates this time, why wouldn't hospitalisations and loss of life?

The government/local councils need to do more than shutting pubs at 10. Table service only is a good move, though. It may be too far gone to rein in, but if it's not it certainly will be in a couple of weeks unless the government takes a strict course of action now. Personally, I'd shut all town and city centre pubs down now, and the country pubs table service only and those tables being outdoors.

In France, where they're obviously ahead of us because they opened up earlier, cases are rising among the most vulnerable. It's to be expected that it will get to the younger and healthier first because they're socialising with various similar people in enclosed spaces for prolonged periods of time, and then it takes a while to get back to families and so on, cases to grow, and then start to take hold among those people who will be seriously ill and worse with it. It's just a matter of time here before the virus takes firm root among more vulnerable people. Unless the government acts now.
 


Locke's SAFC said:
In France and Spain they're upwards of 10,000 cases a day. Last time 'round, there were graphs being put up on here on a regular basis showing the trajectory of various countries with people wondering whether or not we would follow that same course, and it turned out worse here. As of yesterday, we're on the same trajectory as both of those countries again. 'Doesn't take a genius to work out what is probably coming if people don't do more to take care of themselves and the people around them. I was reading yesterday that the current rate of increase suggests we will be around the peak of infections last time 'round by mid-October. 'Probably a similar time frame. Last time the peak was mid April after it had been floating around since the beginning of February. This time we opened up mid July and to mid October that's an extra month but if you take into account that not everything opened up mid July then that accounts for a bit of a longer time frame. So, if infections are going to increase at similar rates this time, why wouldn't hospitalisations and loss of life?

The government/local councils need to do more than shutting pubs at 10. Table service only is a good move, though. It may be too far gone to rein in, but if it's not it certainly will be in a couple of weeks unless the government takes a strict course of action now. Personally, I'd shut all town and city centre pubs down now, and the country pubs table service only and those tables being outdoors.

In France, where they're obviously ahead of us because they opened up earlier, cases are rising among the most vulnerable. It's to be expected that it will get to the younger and healthier first because they're socialising with various similar people in enclosed spaces for prolonged periods of time, and then it takes a while to get back to families and so on, cases to grow, and then start to take hold among those people who will be seriously ill and worse with it. It's just a matter of time here before the virus takes firm root among more vulnerable people. Unless the government acts now.
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Fully agree.

We are very much in minority though, with such thinking.
 
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Locke's SAFC said:
In France and Spain they're upwards of 10,000 cases a day. Last time 'round, there were graphs being put up on here on a regular basis showing the trajectory of various countries with people wondering whether or not we would follow that same course, and it turned out worse here. As of yesterday, we're on the same trajectory as both of those countries again. 'Doesn't take a genius to work out what is probably coming if people don't do more to take care of themselves and the people around them. I was reading yesterday that the current rate of increase suggests we will be around the peak of infections last time 'round by mid-October. 'Probably a similar time frame. Last time the peak was mid April after it had been floating around since the beginning of February. This time we opened up mid July and to mid October that's an extra month but if you take into account that not everything opened up mid July then that accounts for a bit of a longer time frame. So, if infections are going to increase at similar rates this time, why wouldn't hospitalisations and loss of life?

The government/local councils need to do more than shutting pubs at 10. Table service only is a good move, though. It may be too far gone to rein in, but if it's not it certainly will be in a couple of weeks unless the government takes a strict course of action now. Personally, I'd shut all town and city centre pubs down now, and the country pubs table service only and those tables being outdoors.

In France, where they're obviously ahead of us because they opened up earlier, cases are rising among the most vulnerable. It's to be expected that it will get to the younger and healthier first because they're socialising with various similar people in enclosed spaces for prolonged periods of time, and then it takes a while to get back to families and so on, cases to grow, and then start to take hold among those people who will be seriously ill and worse with it. It's just a matter of time here before the virus takes firm root among more vulnerable people. Unless the government acts now.
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Saw a doctor from spain on the news last night saying that hospital admissions in madrid were following a 7% of positive cases trend. What that looks like in terms of numbers here I dont know, someone might be able to look and check against our data.
 
FootballFan said:
if some wont even put on a mask or keep distance what are the chances the will be getting out the hand sanitizer after opening every door?

If there was a substance that the virus could not attach itself to that would well be worth investigating I think

Not much talk of it because I suppose the govt's cant be arsed
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probably nowt to do with governments not being arsed but more to do with practicality, how would you propose coating every touchable surface worldwide, id suggest its nigh on impossible to do
 
May be we could use the same stategy that has been successful in eradicating flu deaths 🤔 Might have been an option to have called it Covid flu. If something is called flu then nobody really cares about how many people die of it each year. You don't get people wearing a mask to stop passing flu to their granny and killing her.
 
hairynaker said:
Saw a doctor from spain on the news last night saying that hospital admissions in madrid were following a 7% of positive cases trend. What that looks like in terms of numbers here I dont know, someone might be able to look and check against our data.
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I'd have guessed a lower % than that. It seems high to me that 1 in every 15 people testing positive is hospitalised. I haven't looked at the breakdown of Spain's numbers, but assuming that number is accurate it must confirm that the virus is firmly among the more vulnerable segments of the population. Given where Spain is with infection rates that's almost 1,000 people being admitted to hospital on a daily basis, and if infection rates keep growing at the same rate in this country we'll be well past that pretty soon.

You have to hope hospitals and the like are better prepared this time, and as more is known about the virus and how to treat it in hospital I'm pretty sure they'll be able to keep more people alive. But, we've seen test and trace fall over so I wouldn't bet my life all of the lessons have been learned and controlled in hospitals. Loads of people picked it up in hospitals last time who had been admitted for unrelated reasons and hospitals only have a limited number of drugs and resources to treat people.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
I'd have guessed a lower % than that. It seems high to me that 1 in every 15 people testing positive is hospitalised. I haven't looked at the breakdown of Spain's numbers, but assuming that number is accurate it must confirm that the virus is firmly among the more vulnerable segments of the population. Given where Spain is with infection rates that's almost 1,000 people being admitted to hospital on a daily basis, and if infection rates keep growing at the same rate in this country we'll be well past that pretty soon.

You have to hope hospitals and the like are better prepared this time, and as more is known about the virus and how to treat it in hospital I'm pretty sure they'll be able to keep more people alive. But, we've seen test and trace fall over so I wouldn't bet my life all of the lessons have been learned and controlled in hospitals. Loads of people picked it up in hospitals last time who had been admitted for unrelated reasons and hospitals only have a limited number of drugs and resources to treat people.
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Just looking to find more info and it seems they are admitting people with pneumonia, which they were not doing before (unless really bad I take it). They also have less people in icu as they understand treatment better than before.
 
I am confident that it is already being held at bay successfully. The vast majority of infected are young persons who are not at risk.
Perhaps the second wave will not materialise
 
Deaths involving COVID-19 - Interactive map - Office for National Statistics
This plots deaths from Covid to June, you can zoom in to a very localised level because it uses “Super Output Areas are a small area statistical geography covering England and Wales. Each area has a similarly sized population and remains stable over time. For this analysis, Middle Layer Super Output Areas have been used.”

These areas are very small. When I looked at ours - really very small, you can walk from end to end and side to side of it in 20 minutes- I was staggered to see 11 deaths. And of course we dont see the funerals. While this is of course for very good reason, if people were seeing them I think it would bring it home more.
 
Gaggoears said:
Depends how close a vaccine is I guess.
We can't just carry on killing nurses and health care workers who have no choice but to work.
It's easy for pretend hard men on here to gob off on the internet but the reality is different. ( not you )
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Personally, I take every precaution I can for the well-being of myself and immediate family.
It would never cross my mind to spend an evening on the lash down in SR6. The only surprising thing about the recent upsurge in cases is the fact that anybody is surprised.
 
Lo Ursem said:
I am confident that it is already being held at bay successfully. The vast majority of infected are young persons who are not at risk.
Perhaps the second wave will not materialise
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Looks like your confidence could well be misplaced as evidence starting to emerge that cases are increasing in the elderly with the subsequent inevitable hospitalisations also increasing
 
Frijj said:
It may well be around for a long time. We can and will heavily suppress the virus with a vaccine, which seems almost a certainty now.

Until then, we control it as we have been. We wear masks, we socially distance and we have local lockdowns when such measures fail due to poor adherence.
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The balance between control of the virus and the Economy is sadly failing atm...
 
safcrob said:
If it lasts three days then why not just close all shops and supermarkets for three days, shops are probably the biggest carriers.
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Are they? it would be interesting to see where people are getting infected. We have been fed that much contradictory information over the last six months, who knows.
consettsafc said:
Play 4-4-2 with a little and large front line.
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Na get phil Parkinson to take charge of the Covid 19 team
 
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bahtat said:
Looks like your confidence could well be misplaced as evidence starting to emerge that cases are increasing in the elderly with the subsequent inevitable hospitalisations also increasing
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Yes I agree that cases and hospital admissions are increasing but I do not think there will be the same deaths resulting from those admissions.
A covid hospital admission is classed as a person with covid who is in hospital for any reason whatsoever. Younger people who are spreading the virus between themselves and find themselves in hospital will most likely not be in hospital as a consequence of the virus. They will count towards the hospital admission covid statistics but unlike older vulnerable people have a greater chance of survival. Less older people now admitted to hospital will not have the virus ( unlike earlier this year) as most of them have now been taking precautions which the younger people have not.
Therefore although the increase in infection rates and admissions is rising at a rapid rate it will not necessarily amount to a second wave.
Also the increase in infection rates is a result of increased testing : the mainly young people who test positive are not at risk.
The key figure will be the number of deaths.
I would expect that number to be a much smaller than the summer figure which is contrary to the expectation of it actually being higher.
Therefore we have nothing to fear.
 
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