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England v New Zealand (2nd test)


Sea to Shining Sea said:
He’s not fit to tie Mark Butcher’s boots! Butcher scored 173 in a day on a day 5 Headingley pitch against Warne, McGrath, Lee and Gillespie to chase down 300+.

Sibley hasn’t got that in his locker
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No I said he reminded me of mark butcher I didn’t say what part of butcher 😂 England team of 1999.
 
There’s been a lot made of the batting and rightly so, but let’s not forget as well NZ were given roughly 150 runs from dropped catches - pretty much the difference between being 80 in front instead of 80 behind. All symptomatic of the lack of discipline within the team.
 
Root must have presided over a few absolute thrashings now, He doesn’t come across as a very inspirational captain except with his batting and that’s been up and down since he became captain
 
Jack Torrance said:
Wasn’t he our 2nd highest run scorer this series, he’s a limited opener but at least he contributes. The openers weren’t the issue this series
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One of the sub-plots of this mini-series has been orthodoxy v unorthodoxy. New Zealand are classical in every way, placing an emphasis on traditional disciplines (du Grandhomme's do maybe notwithstanding). In contrast, we have some zany looking batsmen and our fielding has been poor.
 
Lawrenceslongthrowin said:
Root must have presided over a few absolute thrashings now, He doesn’t come across as a very inspirational captain except with his batting and that’s been up and down since he became captain
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I think the captaincy has taken away a lot of Joe Root’s best characteristics as a batsman. I think he could have been one of the all time greats with the burden of captaincy.
 
Concordsafc said:
I don’t mind losing to New Zealand was drinking with a few of their boys last night in Birmingham, good sporting players good set of fans handled themselves brilliant in the World Cup
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They were brilliant on the train up from Euston. Auld gannie got on at Leighton Buzzard and the first thing one of them did was jump up and offer her his seat. Good crack anarl.
 
Lawrenceslongthrowin said:
Root must have presided over a few absolute thrashings now, He doesn’t come across as a very inspirational captain except with his batting and that’s been up and down since he became captain
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He has an early 90's temperament to captaining- slow, attritional, orthodox, risk averse- which works with neither the team he leads or the general contemporary Test trends.
 
Lawrenceslongthrowin said:
Root must have presided over a few absolute thrashings now, He doesn’t come across as a very inspirational captain except with his batting and that’s been up and down since he became captain
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31 average in home tests since that Windies defeat in 2017
Sea to Shining Sea said:
I think the captaincy has taken away a lot of Joe Root’s best characteristics as a batsman. I think he could have been one of the all time greats with the burden of captaincy.
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I'd not be adverse in giving Burns the job short term for the Ashes
 
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when I look back a few years we have been very lucky

cook
Strauss
Trott
Kp
Bell
Collingwood
Prior
Freddy

all these off the top of my head playing at the same and a similar time was just brilliant to watch

swings and roundabouts we will be there again
 
Modern day Mike atherton, nice bloke but never going to inspire anyone and will lose as many as he wins, prefer a ruthless arrogant wanker type like waugh or G smith
 
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