England in Sri Lanka Red Ball

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Absolutely brilliant. When was the last time we dominated a day like that away from home? Now please just let the rain stay away.

Bairstow loses his place for now for me
 
Tweet from George Dobell.

Moeen Ali has today passed John Emburey's record for Test wickets (147). 11 fewer Tests; 6,000 fewer deliveries. Same average (38.40). Mo on 149 now.

Remember Embrurey was a bowler not an all-rounder and he was a shoo-in for selection for what seemed like forever. Moeen has always had his doubters despite a very good record.
 
Bri said:
Tweet from George Dobell.

Moeen Ali has today passed John Emburey's record for Test wickets (147). 11 fewer Tests; 6,000 fewer deliveries. Same average (38.40). Mo on 149 now.

Remember Embrurey was a bowler not an all-rounder and he was a shoo-in for selection for what seemed like forever. Moeen has always had his doubters despite a very good record.
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Canny that like. Hope Mo's in the team for a while yet. Got a good knack of getting big names out and providing with some handy runs.

We truly are blessed with all rounders in this present moment in time.
 
The Rat said:
Agreed

Looks like he’s trying to work it out again

I think Roy will be number 3 in the ashes anyway
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His red ball technique is even worse than Bairstow imo, so it's a no for me.

Absurd suggestion, but if its a technical beauty contest then Curran probably has the best technique of them all. Although haven't seen Foakes against pace, so he might beat him. He looks superb against spin though - one of the best demonstrations of how to play spin you will ever see.

The Rat said:
Leach and Ali.

Although we really need jimmy and curran to knock a few early, could swing

Foakes was so good there, and forget about his keeping, he looks exactly the type of bat we need, not as expansive, but rotates the strike and occupies the crease.

I actually think we need that type pf player in the top 6, not 7

For me, Buttler never needs to keep ever, he doesn't need it and doesn't even seem bothered about it

Straight fight between Bairstow and Foakes

Our team could be very exciting if we can just nail down a few roles, lots of negatives about the team, but people forget the positives


Burns
Vince
Stokes
Root
Bairstow
Buttler
Foakes
Ali
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Anderson


In the ashes would do me, some f***ing lower middle order that. Could even drop Woakes and have another batsman
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I'll be amazed if nobody else has gone through these and spotted it, but you probably going to have to drop Woakes anyway given you've picked twelve players....


... apparently not! Well, marra: your teams whack: you've picked 12!!!

ProfessionalMackem said:
Canny that like. Hope Mo's in the team for a while yet. Got a good knack of getting big names out and providing with some handy runs.

We truly are blessed with all rounders in this present moment in time.
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Completely agree. Ali is f***ing class, absolutely love him.
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
His red ball technique is even worse than Bairstow imo, so it's a no for me.

Absurd suggestion, but if its a technical beauty contest then Curran probably has the best technique of them all. Although haven't seen Foakes against pace, so he might beat him. He looks superb against spin though - one of the best demonstrations of how to play spin you will ever see.



I'll be amazed if nobody else has gone through these and spotted it, but you probably going to have to drop Woakes anyway given you've picked twelve players....


... apparently not! Well, marra: your teams whack: you've picked 12!!!



Completely agree. Ali is f***ing class, absolutely love him.
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Totally agree. It's between him and Butler for me man crush.


Hahaha I never spotted that. @The Rat. At least his prediction of Ali and Leach being pivotal proved more useful than his counting.
 
Bri said:
Tweet from George Dobell.

Moeen Ali has today passed John Emburey's record for Test wickets (147). 11 fewer Tests; 6,000 fewer deliveries. Same average (38.40). Mo on 149 now.

Remember Embrurey was a bowler not an all-rounder and he was a shoo-in for selection for what seemed like forever. Moeen has always had his doubters despite a very good record.
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Interesting stat but DRS has made a massive difference for spinners as batsmen can no longer just hide their bat behind their pad.
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
Interesting stat but DRS has made a massive difference for spinners as batsmen can no longer just hide their bat behind their pad.
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Yes, but his average is probably way way better than Embury's in England alone.

His tours to India and Australia destroy his bowling average. Take them out and he's handy. Now, obviously the whole point of averages is you don't get selective. But what I'm trying to say is - there's a real quality bowler in there if he can find some consistency. Today's performance very encouraging and his bowling seems to be on an upward curve.

smoker said:
Weather forecast is gash for the next three days.
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It was gash for the first day too mind, so here's hoping. Very unpredictable - storms generally the most difficult thing to predict for meteorologists.
 
Foakes obviously stays for this tour and West Indies

He might be exposed in England we don’t know

Bairstow still has to play for me, he needs to see this as a massive opportunity to open or bat 3

He has the talent and he’s succeeded at every challenge he ever has had

Comeback_Kenwyne said:
His red ball technique is even worse than Bairstow imo, so it's a no for me.

Absurd suggestion, but if its a technical beauty contest then Curran probably has the best technique of them all. Although haven't seen Foakes against pace, so he might beat him. He looks superb against spin though - one of the best demonstrations of how to play spin you will ever see.



I'll be amazed if nobody else has gone through these and spotted it, but you probably going to have to drop Woakes anyway given you've picked twelve players....


... apparently not! Well, marra: your teams whack: you've picked 12!!!



Completely agree. Ali is f***ing class, absolutely love him.
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Why are you saying Bairstow has a bad red ball technique, he doesn’t, he is one of the best red ball players in England

He had a bad 2nd half of summer as a few technical things crept in from the white ball but let’s not reinvent history here
 
The Rat said:
Foakes obviously stays for this tour and West Indies

He might be exposed in England we don’t know

Bairstow still has to play for me, he needs to see this as a massive opportunity to open or bat 3

He has the talent and he’s succeeded at every challenge he ever has had



Why are you saying Bairstow has a bad red ball technique, he doesn’t, he is one of the best red ball players in England

He had a bad 2nd half of summer as a few technical things crept in from the white ball but let’s not reinvent history here
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I like Bairstow too. But sometimes a little break does the world of good. Root Ali Stokes recently have seemed to do okay. I'd like to shoe horn him straight back aswell as he's a genuine batter with longectivity. It's just that I'm coming round to the horses for courses line up. How awesome was it having all those bowling resources to hand to bowl a team out like we did? After all its 20 wickets what win matches not how many runs you score.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
I like Bairstow too. But sometimes a little break does the world of good. Root Ali Stokes recently have seemed to do okay. I'd like to shoe horn him straight back aswell as he's a genuine batter with longectivity. It's just that I'm coming round to the horses for courses line up. How awesome was it having all those bowling resources to hand to bowl a team out like we did? After all its 20 wickets what win matches not how many runs you score.
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Yeah don’t disagree mate it’s diffucult to see him playing next test

Stokes not really bowling so we need the 5 Bowlers

Don’t think we will ever play 3 spin in England mind so that will be his chance

I’d be tempted to drop Jennings for Bairstow
 
The Rat said:
Foakes obviously stays for this tour and West Indies

He might be exposed in England we don’t know

Bairstow still has to play for me, he needs to see this as a massive opportunity to open or bat 3

He has the talent and he’s succeeded at every challenge he ever has had



Why are you saying Bairstow has a bad red ball technique, he doesn’t, he is one of the best red ball players in England

He had a bad 2nd half of summer as a few technical things crept in from the white ball but let’s not reinvent history here
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Keep your hair on. I'm saying his technique is not right for red ball top three, not that he has a bad red ball technique period. He's not alone in that amongst the England lads - but I think Roy would struggle even more, that's what I'm saying. We may as well give Bairstow a shot as Stokes or Ali or whoever. None of them are really up to it I suspect, but I don't see any options. None of the 'specialists' seem up to it either.

Also, can I remind you very politely that you spend almost the ENTIRE SUMMER telling everybody they were fools for suggesting Bairstow move up the order and he should bat at seven where he's got all his runs. This is quite an extroadinary volte face from you - a bit more humility might be in order...
 
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smoker said:
A real transformation considering how bad they were in Bangladesh and India.

Foakes has been the difference between the teams though. We were 103/5 when he came to the wicket. I hope Bairstow doesn't just walk back into the team and take the gloves, we need to move on from that 'pecking order' shite.
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He didn't take the gloves off Buttler so I'm not sure this pecking order exists (or did he, the summer tests already seem a long time ago?).

Just opened this thread, there's some pretty funny posts earlier in the week. When viewed with 20/20 hindsight ;)
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Keep your hair on. I'm saying his technique is not right for red ball top three, not that he has a bad red ball technique period. He's not alone in that amongst the England lads - but I think Roy would struggle even more, that's what I'm saying. We may as well give Bairstow a shot as Stokes or Ali or whoever. None of them are really up to it I suspect, but I don't see any options. None of the 'specialists' seem up to it either.

Also, can I remind you very politely that you spend almost the ENTIRE SUMMER telling everybody they were fools for suggesting Bairstow move up the order and he should bat at seven where he's got all his runs. This is quite an extroadinary volte face from you - a bit more humility might be in order...
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Not really

People saying Buttler had to bat 7 despite the fact he had the best technique and temperament all summer
 
The Rat said:
Absolutely he should have

I was proved 100% right too

I can get you the posts myself if you want
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But now you're saying he should bat three? You were basically dismissing out of hand the notion he should be at five... But now he should bat three?

Also any response to the fact you picked a cracking England team with err twelve players? Avoids selection dilemmas nicely, but...

@Mrjardine was debating you most about Bairstow, may as well bring him in...
 
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