Cynicism about Donald et al?

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Buzzers boot boy said:
There’s a lot of people who don’t listen to what they say. They just here and read stuff and repeat it.
The bloke has said repeatedly said he isn’t out to rip safc, yes they might make a profit if and when they sell but only by leaving us in a far better position than they found us, be it on or off the pitch. Hopefully both.
They seem on the face of things to have halted the financial disaster they inherited ( with shorts help by righting off an awful lot of money) but IMO they’re doing good things. Yes we could’ve went up and probably should have but we didn’t.
We need to move on and go again. Which is the message they put across after the play off loss.
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Spelling aside, pretty much this ---^

Buzzers boot boy said:
That’s fine I’ve spoke to loads of people who haven’t listened to them. I work with loads of footy fans of different teams who’ve said the same to me this week by just reading papers and internet snippets.
Some people just don’t take as much interest but still want to talk about it. It’s the way of the world now.
Sure he has safc at heart though. That’s what ultimately counts. Pulling together as fans rather than picking at everything will only help us.
Hopefully they will be proved to be good people and not what some think. Proof will be eventually in the pudding I suppose.
I’m not suggesting you are picking at stuff mind. Just some.
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I like the cut of your jib, feller.
 
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Apreciate their hard work in turning the club around.

For me it depends on whether they actually put the 8million of the clubs money that they used to buy the club, back into the club when they leave.
 
I think in the NE a character such as Methven is going to find it very hard to win a lot of folk over.
More or less ticks every box of folk NEeners have railed against for years.
I think SD would be getting more slack without his sidekick.
 
SD said on the Roker Report podcast that the cash from the parachute payment would be fed back into the club when it’s needed. But how will that work if they sell 75% of the club this summer?

Fair play if it is still going to be paid, but can understand why that would look like he’s pulling a fast one?
 
dixonsafc said:
SD said on the Roker Report podcast that the cash from the parachute payment would be fed back into the club when it’s needed. But how will that work if they sell 75% of the club this summer?

Fair play if it is still going to be paid, but can understand why that would look like he’s pulling a fast one?
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This is the point, how it can it be?

If they don't then we have beenhad a bit like IMO, it should be paid back

They've done some good stuff, but I personally don't think they ever intended to be here more than a year, its not like they are selling because we are going up and need it, we are inleague one,they are selling because they can still make a profit

None of their biggest fans expcted them to be just about gone in less than a year and thats why people are so ridiculously defensive about it
 
I think its a little from column A and a little from column B. I don't have a problem that they bought it for a profit if they run it respectfully and they have done more than that. If they can get someone brighter in now, then best for all if they get that profit now.
 
Randy Savage said:
Anyone else as cynical about Donald et al as my old man?

Seen him yesterday and his opening gambit to me was “have you seen what those two spivs, Donald and slicked back, are up to now. Using the parachute money to buy the club and flipping it for a hefty profit within a year when they knew they never had the money to run it long term.”

Now, let it be said I like SD and I think there is a genuineness to him. I take what he says at face value. However, I’m a fairly trusting person for the most part.

Does anyone share my old man’s view, or is he just a cynical old Sunderland supporter worn down by six decades of largely shite?
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No mate.
 
oddbod said:
Were gannin round in circles with this discussion...nee bugger knows until we(if it happens) are sold and next years accounts are there for grumpy and the other six accountants to provide us with their musings ................

I dont know don, charlie and santi so i cannot really comment whether your father is right ...........but the faces they have shown to the media i do like don and santi but i cannot get away from the feeling that charlie is a flashman like character comming up north to nick our flat caps whippets and pidgeons.

Fundimentally though business is business and don and co will take a good deal and move on without giving us a second thought ............like deep throat.....i suggest we wait for grumpy to follow the money and we might find outw here all the parachute payments have actually gone!
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the accounts oas of now-today-show they didnt use the para money to buy the club. Thats just an established proven fact.

Hodgie1979 said:
Clever fella made a life changing amount ...hats off.
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wont be life changing for him? if he makes £10m profit (which he wont0 it doesnt change his life..it diesnt double his weath-which is probably what life changing is..the life changing event was when he sold heis stake in Hastingsd insurance for tens of millions while still in his early forties..
 
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NYMackem said:
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I don't think there's anything wrong with how they bought the club, but I am definitely slightly conflicted about them.

On the one hand there was no-one else stepping forward to buy the club when they took it on, they've halted the decline and dealt well with some seriously bad contracts (Papy, N'Dong etc). If they turn the club round and make a profit, whether in 1 year or 5 years, then fair play to them.

However they don't have anything like enough money to mount a serious challenge in the Championship, and they don't have much of a track record in football at this level and have appeared slightly amateurish at times.

I also have a nagging sense that we have missed a golden opportunity for a fan's group takeover (not that I'm blaming Donald and Methven for that).
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It is my belief that a fans group take over would be an unmitigated disaster. Firstly, you state Donald and Charlie don’t have the cash, would the fans group? They would have to be a mass co operative group funded by many small investors.
Secondly, if this place is anything to go by, the group would crumble into petty factions over the first decision it had to make.
 
Mackem Tommy said:
Can it be cynicism if it's based on factual inaccuracies?

Also, yes. There's hundreds on here who also have a similar view on him. Theirs are based on factual inaccuracies, but also a weathered, well-beaten history with the Lads.

I don't really blame them on the latter either. I like SD, CM et al.
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People believe what they want to believe. It’s as true when it comes to football as it is in relation to politics , world events or relationships. Look at the flat earthers and conspiracy theorists. OP should keep an eye on his dad. He might end up with tin foil on his head living in the woods off grid with David icke.
 
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The Rat said:
This is the point, how it can it be?

If they don't then we have beenhad a bit like IMO, it should be paid back

They've done some good stuff, but I personally don't think they ever intended to be here more than a year, its not like they are selling because we are going up and need it, we are inleague one,they are selling because they can still make a profit

None of their biggest fans expcted them to be just about gone in less than a year and thats why people are so ridiculously defensive about it
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how do you know it hasnt been paid back? whent they bought grigg-they had to put in some cash for that..as the club didnt have the cash..and they paid out millions for historic transfers..
the club hadnt a pot to piss in for most of the season..
..you use the phrase "pay it back"-why-the money was used to pay SBC CORPORATION-thats a debt owed by safc-nothing to do with them..it wasnt used by them to buy the club..why shouldnt club money be used to pay club debts-ellis benefitted from the para money being used to pay sbc as ot meant he didnt have to..the owners didnt benefit really...they didnt get the money-and they didnt use it to buy the club..

dixonsafc said:
SD said on the Roker Report podcast that the cash from the parachute payment would be fed back into the club when it’s needed. But how will that work if they sell 75% of the club this summer?

Fair play if it is still going to be paid, but can understand why that would look like he’s pulling a fast one?
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because it already has been to cover massive losses? or because it will be stewarts contribution to this seasons transfer fund? the para money was fed into the club-it was used to pay a debt owed by safc-it didnt benefit stewart at all..it benfitted safc..
 
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Have absolutely no problems with SD or CM; whether they sell or not. They've not hidden anything from us as far as I can see. Always admitted they weren't billionaires and that they got a great deal on the club. They've been open that people are looking at investing and if they think everyone will benefit from a sale, why wouldn't they sell?
 
kildaremackem said:
because it already has been to cover massive losses? or because it will be stewarts contribution to this seasons transfer fund? the para money was fed into the club-it was used to pay a debt owed by safc-it didnt benefit stewart at all..it benfitted safc..
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He said on the podcast that some but not all of the money had been paid back, and that it would be paid in when the club needed it.

If they sell 75% of the club, would that money still be paid in? Like I said, fair enough if it is but it's enough to raise an eyebrow.
 
dixonsafc said:
He said on the podcast that some but not all of the money had been paid back, and that it would be paid in when the club needed it.

If they sell 75% of the club, would that money still be paid in? Like I said, fair enough if it is but it's enough to raise an eyebrow.
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why will the club not need the money next season?
firstly-the club hasnt been sold to anyone-the percentages are not known, aand secondly, they will still own some, and there will still be bills to be paid right now..
but they didnt get the para money-it went to clear a club debt..it was not used to pay for the club..
 
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