rapscallion
Winger
Abdoul Mustapha Ba has a giant leap that Neil Armstrong would be proud of.
Ba or Roberts
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Sneech
Striker
Roberts for me for the time being at least, pressure is on Ba to maintain standards of his one game purple patch with Roberts returning, but it's only good for us if we have competition for places.
Would have liked to seen Roberts against Dan Burn, or even Ba for that matter as his ten minutes cameo showed at the end
Would have liked to seen Roberts against Dan Burn, or even Ba for that matter as his ten minutes cameo showed at the end
It depends on the game and the opposition for me.
The stats show Ba with 3 goals and 4 assists, and Roberts with 0 goals and 1 assist. But if its a tight game and we need to keep possesion and control it I would rather see Roberts on than Ba.
Both players have roles to play.
The stats show Ba with 3 goals and 4 assists, and Roberts with 0 goals and 1 assist. But if its a tight game and we need to keep possesion and control it I would rather see Roberts on than Ba.
Both players have roles to play.
CraigyWatt
Winger
He's consistently one of our best players. It's not Football Manager and I can't just click on his average rating this season or click on his rating each game.
At what game this season has Roberts been our best performer? I’d love you to enlighten me as to this.
Mackday Meldrew is usually a fair write up, though he doesn't provide one for each game.
He's wrote 9 Mackday Meldrew's where Roberts has started this season. Roberts has been best player twice and joint second best player three times. So more than 50% of the time, he's been amongst our very top performers.
It's a small sample size and one mans opinion.
best player:
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joint 2nd best player:
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A couple of snippets from the Echo rating our players mid season:
11. PATRICK ROBERTS
A campaign that isn’t easy to judge. Continues to torment opposition defenders and open up the pitch for Sunderland. Goals and assists have thus far proved elusive, however, even if the latter has clearly not been helped by the lack of settled striker in the box to find. A key player moving forward and deserved his new contract ahead of a big 2024. B
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17. PATRICK ROBERTS
Roberts' season so far is tricky to assess, with one goal contribution clearly less than he and his side would like. Yet Mowbray has also noted that he is near the very top of the Championship for 'second assists', demonstrating that he is involved in the bulk of Sunderland's attacking play. He picked up yet another of these on Saturday, his excellent cross headed across goal by Hume and forcing the crucial own goal. And he remains as good a player to watch as Sunderland have had this century. 7.5
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Sunderland ended an at times challenging block of fixtures with an impressive 3-1 win over Birmingham City at the Stadium of Light on Saturday afternoon.
www.sunderlandecho.com
I'm not sure what you want from me and you clearly have an agenda or a blindspot when it comes to Roberts.
To state that:
is quite clearly complete and utter bollocks.
Lawrenceslongthrowin
Winger
Give him a run at the number 10 role, and keep ba on right
LT2K
Midfield
Roberts usually gets us up the pitch and holds the ball well, he's not had a great season for goals/assists but is providing a lot of key passes every game according to the stats (I take that to be the 2nd assists Mowbray spoke of). Ba is capable of moments of magic but equally capable of being anonymous.
For me Roberts would start most games with Ba coming on and getting 20-30 minutes against tired legs, doesn't always mean taking Roberts off as he could move to 10 quite easily.
I think he's struggled this season as there are not many players on his wavelength - last season Roberts and Diallo were almost telepathic down the right and caused all sorts of problems for defenders, we don't have a 10 or false 9 capable of playing like that now so he's left isolated/frustrated a lot.
For me Roberts would start most games with Ba coming on and getting 20-30 minutes against tired legs, doesn't always mean taking Roberts off as he could move to 10 quite easily.
I think he's struggled this season as there are not many players on his wavelength - last season Roberts and Diallo were almost telepathic down the right and caused all sorts of problems for defenders, we don't have a 10 or false 9 capable of playing like that now so he's left isolated/frustrated a lot.
Mackem Attack
Full Back
That’s one guys opinion. Good on him. Doesn’t mean that Roberts has been any good at all. Any statistic you look up will demonstrate his massive underperformance. But yes let’s go with Mackday meldrew ratings as that’s the very bottom of the barrel that you are scraping.He's consistently one of our best players. It's not Football Manager and I can't just click on his average rating this season or click on his rating each game.
Mackday Meldrew is usually a fair write up, though he doesn't provide one for each game.
He's wrote 9 Mackday Meldrew's where Roberts has started this season. Roberts has been best player twice and joint second best player three times. So more than 50% of the time, he's been amongst our very top performers.
It's a small sample size and one mans opinion.
best player:
Mackday Meldrew - Coventry City FC
I'm probably going to get stick for this, but reading the board last night (when I was too tired for the Meldrew) and I feel there's been a slight overreaction to yesterday's performance. The result was poor, and the last half hour horrendous, however I think some people have let their...Mackday Meldrew - Preston North End
There were a few areas that struck a chord with me yesterday which I'll come onto, but I want to mention a more general summary of where I believe we're at at the moment, mostly as things have become very negative very quickly. Only focusing on the league games, I think we've had two very good...
joint 2nd best player:
Mackday Meldrew - West Bromwich Albion FC
As he'll no doubt be frantically hitting F5 on his keyboard this evening to see what the wise old SMB has to say, I'd just like to place my own thanks and appreciation to the good job Tony Mowbray did here. As I and others have said, he's made friends on Wearside and will always be welcomed...Mackday Meldrew - Birmingham City FC
Another good win, another three goals at home and another pretty comfortable afternoon in the end. First thing I want to mention is about our home form. We all know our troubles at times breaking down low blocks or stubborn defences. Whilst Birmingham didn't play a low block, I think their game...Mackday Meldrew - Middlesbrough FC
We were done over today due to a few things, which is frustrating of course but it happens from time to time. There were some parallels with the Stoke debacle last season, and we just have to suck it up and learn from it. As you can imagine I'm going to focus on what I felt we did wrong as...
A couple of snippets from the Echo rating our players mid season:
11. PATRICK ROBERTS
A campaign that isn’t easy to judge. Continues to torment opposition defenders and open up the pitch for Sunderland. Goals and assists have thus far proved elusive, however, even if the latter has clearly not been helped by the lack of settled striker in the box to find. A key player moving forward and deserved his new contract ahead of a big 2024. B
How we graded every Sunderland player's Championship season so far - with clear leader
Sunderland head into 2024 with their play-off aspirations still very much alive, with the gap to sixth just two points ahead of Preston North End’s visit to the Stadium of Light.
17. PATRICK ROBERTS
Roberts' season so far is tricky to assess, with one goal contribution clearly less than he and his side would like. Yet Mowbray has also noted that he is near the very top of the Championship for 'second assists', demonstrating that he is involved in the bulk of Sunderland's attacking play. He picked up yet another of these on Saturday, his excellent cross headed across goal by Hume and forcing the crucial own goal. And he remains as good a player to watch as Sunderland have had this century. 7.5
One 10/10 and one nine: Every single Sunderland player's season so far rated
Sunderland ended an at times challenging block of fixtures with an impressive 3-1 win over Birmingham City at the Stadium of Light on Saturday afternoon.
I'm not sure what you want from me and you clearly have an agenda or a blindspot when it comes to Roberts.
To state that:
is quite clearly complete and utter bollocks.
The fact you had to resort to that and couldn’t find a single statistical measure to support your argument proves my point exactly that he’s struggling massively this season.
I’m not criticising Roberts, some of it is done to mowbrays system too which stifles both him and our striker somewhat (can’t really judge him under Beale as he’s barely featured) but it frankly isn’t working as is, and that’s not really disputable. 0 goals 1 assist (which should have been an own goal and therefore not an assist) is absolutely unacceptable as a return.
Playing Roberts as a 10 is something we’ve tried before and possibly the worst suggestion I’ve ever seen on the SMB. Patterson would be more effective there tbh
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woodlebert
Striker
That’s not true at all
McGregor
Winger
Statistically you could argue there is a comparison tbf. There's no getting away with the fact Ba is producing far better numbers when it comes to goals and assists than Roberts is, also playing less minutes than Roberts over the course of this season.
Roberts is a wonderful player to watch but you could argue he has fuck all end product
Not criticising Roberts? You have called him useless and cannot even admit his assist was an assist! You definitely have an agenda here
Mackem Attack
Full Back
Care to provide a counter example?
He's a statman^^^^^
Mackem Attack
Full Back
Calling a pot a pot isn’t having an agenda. Not sure you understand civil discussion. Unfortunately for you, I just don’t think Roberts is any good at all, and all of the statistics, apart from the Mackday Meldrew official rating system, seem to back me up. Feel free to drop provide some counter examples to reinforce your debate
It’s pretty easy to google these things
So ,not criticising someone is calling someone 'useless', and now' no good at all'.Look back at post 186. Not that I am a statman like yourself, but it'll make some interesting reading for you.
Mackem Attack
Full Back
So no debate on Roberts/Ba then? Didn’t think so. Get on ignore kid.
Why are you ignoring post 186?
woodlebert
Striker
There are loads of statistics where Roberts is performing well. Have a look at shot creation, passing & dribbling.
Patrick Roberts Scouting Report for 2023-2024 Championship | FBref.com
Compare Patrick Roberts to others in passing, goal scoring, attacking, defense and more for the 2023-2024 Championship
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(Make sure to change the tab to "vs. Att Mid / Wingers" for more accurate results)
Happy_Layabout
Midfield
Ba or Roberts? Or Mundle? Or Benson
CraigyWatt
Winger
I gave you demonstrative statistical measurements days ago:
Ba or Roberts
It’s an average. Surely it wasn’t that hard to comprehend. :lol: It was only a daft use of stats in response to your daft comment about us being higher in the league when he was playing. How's it daft? Not as daft as 1.42 points a game
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You don't have an agenda against him, but you think playing him centrally is the worst suggestion you've ever seen on the SMB and think Patterson would do a better job....... right....
You're either a massive WUM or a complete and utter moron. I strongly suspect the latter.
