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Away tickets - Loyalty points . . .

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halfpast3 said:
Because at some point we will, history says we will. I don’t think anyone on this board will have been alive to have seen us been successful over a period of time. If somehow this is the time and we are going to be massive then he can go to the home games and just enjoy us being mint and grabbing a ticket here and there for away games.
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If we do become mint, then what comes with that is more cup games , possibly European games, and loads of chances to build points up

If don't become mint , then demand will slacken off a bit
humbug said:
cracking days out, a mile away from where we are now but in a masochistic way i preferred them to the soul less places we're going to now.
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Was just saying the same before. Kind of miss some of the benefits of the league one days..almost guaranteed Saturday 3pm kick offs , paper tickets , no ID checks , stopping over weekends in random places , just seemed a lot easier back then ..it's nothing but a stress now
 
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tunstallhill said:
If we do become mint, then what comes with that is more cup games , possibly European games, and loads of chances to build points up

If don't become mint , then demand will slacken off a bit


Was just saying the same before. Kind of miss some of the benefits of the league one days..almost guaranteed Saturday 3pm kick offs , paper tickets , no ID checks , stopping over weekends in random places , just seemed a lot easier back then ..it's nothing but a stress now
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league one and the championship were class. loved watching the red kites at wycombe when the footy was shite.
 
Gronkowski said:
Unfortunately he wants to pick and choose his games NOW and it’s non-negotiable so we have to deal with the tantrum
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I don’t want to pick and choose.

I want a system where getting to an away league game doesn’t rely on us becoming shit or getting relegated.

If you can explain how he’ll get enough points to get to phase 2 without that happening , please do.

But no one can, because it’s impossible. I can’t even figure out where his next bcp will come from unless we get a cup tie at home or away at a ground with a large capacity.

But cup games won’t add up to any meaningful points total.
SAFC2012 said:
When did he get a season ticket?
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Last season
 
Mnemonic said:
I don’t want to pick and choose.

I want a system where getting to an away league game doesn’t rely on us becoming shit or getting relegated.

If you can explain how he’ll get enough points to get to phase 2 without that happening , please do.

But no one can, because it’s impossible. I can’t even figure out where his next bcp will come from unless we get a cup tie at home or away at a ground with a large capacity.

But cup games won’t add up to any meaningful points total.

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Theres thousands of supporters not in phase 2 it is what it is
Demand far out weighs supply this season next season it may not.
Try having a bit of patience.
 
Mnemonic said:
I don’t want to pick and choose.

I want a system where getting to an away league game doesn’t rely on us becoming shit or getting relegated.

If you can explain how he’ll get enough points to get to phase 2 without that happening , please do.

But no one can, because it’s impossible. I can’t even figure out where his next bcp will come from unless we get a cup tie at home or away at a ground with a large capacity.

But cup games won’t add up to any meaningful points total.

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So if he got a season ticket last season and went to Everton he’ll have at least 3 points surely? Sheff Utd at home, Huddersfield and Everton this season. Why didn’t you take him to Bristol City in the Easter Holidays? There was another point available.
 
Having only a few points I’ve resigned myself to not getting tickets for away games.

I’m fine with that tbh.

The stalwarts who followed away in the dark days deserve the priority imo.

Their loyalty deserves recognition.
 
tunstallhill said:
Thats a canny big closed shop if you ask me. It's 25% of our season ticket holders.

It'll likely be more than that , as there'll be plenty of people who missed Everton away who have been to other away games this season
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🙋‍♂️ That's me. Couldn't access phase because I was travelling when it launched, and then couldn't get a suitable seat in Phase 2.
 
Mnemonic said:
I don’t want to pick and choose.

I want a system where getting to an away league game doesn’t rely on us becoming shit or getting relegated.

If you can explain how he’ll get enough points to get to phase 2 without that happening , please do.

But no one can, because it’s impossible. I can’t even figure out where his next bcp will come from unless we get a cup tie at home or away at a ground with a large capacity.

But cup games won’t add up to any meaningful points total.

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How many tickets do you think should be made available to fans on 2 points? 1k, 2k or the entire allocation?
 
SAFC2012 said:
So if he got a season ticket last season and went to Everton he’ll have at least 3 points surely? Sheff Utd at home, Huddersfield and Everton this season. Why didn’t you take him to Bristol City in the Easter Holidays? There was another point available.
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I get what you're saying. But to be fair even if the kid has got 3 points (and Everton was far from guaranteed, I was going to take my lad to that one and demand far outstripped supply on the site, loads who logged straight on missed out, nevermind anyone who couldn't get on for an hour or so) there's no chance he'd get any more this season. If demand doesn't drop (which it will) next season, with cup games, maybe 5 points, maybe the same the next season. So, even doing everything he could be might be on 13/14 points after three full seasons. That wouldn't be phase 2 and then the points start dropping off. So his point is solid regardless of whether the bairn had 3 or 4 last season but it depends on demand not letting up, which is where I think the worrying about something that isn't going to be an issue

But you can't change a system just because there's half a season where people don't see how you can ever build points for yourself or the next generation. Demand will 100% ease and we'll be back to a place where you can get maybe 10 points a season if you're prepared to put the miles in, like it's always been. Loads of people about mid twenties down will never have done a lot of these grounds and will hardly remember the PL, so they'll do more than normal. Older fans will be more enthused to see us back in the PL, we've been competing well in it too, there's new grounds to go to. Then it'll settle. We'll either start struggling, and tickets will open up. We'll stay mid table and it'll get "dull" and tickets will open up. Or, hopefully, we'll kick on and get Europe and then there'll be more, very expensive, games so a lot will be forced to pick and choose, and tickets will open up. The 20 somethings doing every game now will get kids have to work weekends, life situations will move on like they always have. It'll be fine
 
SAFC2012 said:
How many tickets do you think should be made available to fans on 2 points? 1k, 2k or the entire allocation?
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Make it proportionate, every point gives you an entry in to a ballot. So if you have 70 pts you get 70 chances, 2pts gives you 2.

Makes every point count rather than bands and makes sure Ethan’s a chance even if it’s small
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I do know a couple of people who don't really bother with home games and basically have a season ticket just for away ones, but even then I imagine they'll be going more now we're in the PL. So if they did it by games actually attended it could slightly help people who turn up, but I expect 99+% of away regulars also go to the home ones, so it would have so little effect it's meaningless.

And again, these threads just show there's no real consensus so it's hard to argue for a change. Some want smaller drops, meaning fewer people get their hands on tickets. Others want it to stay the same. Some want a ballot. Some want averaging to come back (I think that makes tickets more a case of who you know than whether you deserve them, but a few people have mentioned it)

Ultimately the club have heard it all before. They've considered other options and it's pretty certain nothing will change especially when it's the first season there's been real supply and demand issues. They'll track it. If we're 3 seasons in and no one currently in phase 3 can get a chance of a handful of aways a season then they'll probably try something but it's too early at the minute, especially given the lack of any majority consensus behind any individual change
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I could see a point in averaging for parents that want to start taking their kid to away days. This could be a solution for some, albeit very limited in who would be eligible.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I get what you're saying. But to be fair even if the kid has got 3 points (and Everton was far from guaranteed, I was going to take my lad to that one and demand far outstripped supply on the site, loads who logged straight on missed out, nevermind anyone who couldn't get on for an hour or so) there's no chance he'd get any more this season. If demand doesn't drop (which it will) next season, with cup games, maybe 5 points, maybe the same the next season. So, even doing everything he could be might be on 13/14 points after three full seasons. That wouldn't be phase 2 and then the points start dropping off. So his point is solid regardless of whether the bairn had 3 or 4 last season but it depends on demand not letting up, which is where I think the worrying about something that isn't going to be an issue

But you can't change a system just because there's half a season where people don't see how you can ever build points for yourself or the next generation. Demand will 100% ease and we'll be back to a place where you can get maybe 10 points a season if you're prepared to put the miles in, like it's always been. Loads of people about mid twenties down will never have done a lot of these grounds and will hardly remember the PL, so they'll do more than normal. Older fans will be more enthused to see us back in the PL, we've been competing well in it too, there's new grounds to go to. Then it'll settle. We'll either start struggling, and tickets will open up. We'll stay mid table and it'll get "dull" and tickets will open up. Or, hopefully, we'll kick on and get Europe and then there'll be more, very expensive, games so a lot will be forced to pick and choose, and tickets will open up. The 20 somethings doing every game now will get kids have to work weekends, life situations will move on like they always have. It'll be fine
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Life isn’t always fair.

I miss my first game since we were last in the premier league on 22nd March (home or away) due to a medical condition. I don’t think it’s fair that clubs are allowed to breach premier league regulations and not provide at least some pitch side seating.
Mnemonic said:
Make it proportionate, every point gives you an entry in to a ballot. So if you have 70 pts you get 70 chances, 2pts gives you 2.

Makes every point count rather than bands and makes sure Ethan’s a chance even if it’s small
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Say that is introduced. Your son is successful, but you’re not. What then? Does he go by himself?
 
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SAFC2012 said:
Life isn’t always fair.

I miss my first game since we were last in the premier league on 22nd March (home or away) due to a medical condition. I don’t think it’s fair that clubs are allowed to breach premier league regulations and not provide at least some pitch side seating.

Say that is introduced. Your son is successful, but you’re not. What then? Does he go by himself?
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It’s not beyond the abilities of those designing the system to factor in group applications to the ballot.
 
SAFC2012 said:
Life isn’t always fair.

I miss my first game since we were last in the premier league on 22nd March (home or away) due to a medical condition. I don’t think it’s fair that clubs are allowed to breach premier league regulations and not provide at least some pitch side seating.

Say that is introduced. Your son is successful, but you’re not. What then? Does he go by himself?
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I know, I'm agreeing with you. But the club will change it if a few seasons go by without anyone being able to build points up. And there'll be complaints but as you say, life isn't fair
 
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