Change of circumstances? Change of financial situation? Ill health? There are any number of reasons. All things that i understand looks like glory hunting now but may well have improved in recent times.
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Away tickets - Loyalty points . . .
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twangmackem
Midfield
YES WE GYAN
Striker
Only way a ballot like this would be acceptable imo is if:
- First we have a 3 year period when anybody who wants a ticket applies, and they go to the highest points. Those who don't get a ticket get a point. This gives everyone a fair shot at being in the highest 50%.
- Anybody entering the ballot is entering for every game, and you get what you are given. No applying for the ballot just for the Mags/Leeds etc.
shootsitgoeswide
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I’d leave the system how it is for the next year or two , the points WILL drop next year and the year after meaning more people will get a chance of going.
If we had the same fixtures next season for example….
Tottenham away on Sunday just after Xmas won’t have the same novelty about it next year now everyone on the top points have been to the ground.
West Ham away 12:30 in January will drop to below 10 points next season.
Thats just 2 examples.
If Ipswich and Coventry come up , that’s 2 grounds we have been to many times over the last few years so I’d imagine them 2 will go to low points.
Many other cases as well .
If we had the same fixtures next season for example….
Tottenham away on Sunday just after Xmas won’t have the same novelty about it next year now everyone on the top points have been to the ground.
West Ham away 12:30 in January will drop to below 10 points next season.
Thats just 2 examples.
If Ipswich and Coventry come up , that’s 2 grounds we have been to many times over the last few years so I’d imagine them 2 will go to low points.
Many other cases as well .
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Gronkowski
Midfield
I think any review would need to be looked at at the end of this current 3 year points cycle to see where demand is.
People screaming for change halfway into our first PL Season in years is a nonsense
This is true like. My cousin wants to go to every match, cos he’s never been to most grounds. Was gutted he missed Man Utd cos we were on a stag. I wasn’t bothered cos I’ve been 5/6 times. However, I was a bit excited about Everton.
Yea that would work.
MackemMagic
Striker
I think the whole "loyalty" system needs looking at in its entirety, not just for the away games. We saw with Wembley recently that people missed out because of the weird rules they put in place.
I think adding home games into the mix, like they do for occasional cup games, would help the wide points spread we currently have.
Hawkings Boots
Striker
I don't see how adding home games helps
I currently have 42 points and I am in phase 2 or 3 depending on how the phases land for away games
If I get 19 points for attending every home game, my 61 points isn't going to move me into phase 1. It just means that phase 2/3 will start at those sort of point levels rather than the current point levels and anyone with just home loyalty points still will not even get into phase 3
L18SFC
Striker
You are talking about 1/2 cases which translates to 1% or even lessWhat’s weird with this is on one hand, we say 99% of phase 1/2 point holders attend every home game yet on other threads, these same people always seem to be having “last minute” illnesses and family emergencies which justify them passing on their “unfashionable” away tickets.
BarnesPark
Midfield
Hmmm….bit you just made up the 99% number in the first case.
I have a medical condition that I manage quite well and I'm determined to get on with things as normal as possible and have only missed one away match over the last three seasons because of it which is why I missed Brentford.What’s weird with this is on one hand, we say 99% of phase 1/2 point holders attend every home game yet on other threads, these same people always seem to be having “last minute” illnesses and family emergencies which justify them passing on their “unfashionable” away tickets.
That's hardly the "same people" over and over again.
I didn't pass the ticket on,the ticket was not used.
L18SFC
Striker
It wouldn’t. There’s 15 points between phases. Current Phase 1/2 people will miss 1/2 home games max a season. It’ll make basically no difference
And you are making up a number of how many sell on their tickets for every game
HarrogateMackem
Striker
I think, reading through the pages now there's people on here who struggle to separate what would objectively be a good and fair system, and what would be a good and fair system for them personally.
As an aside, I was speaking to some Forest fans earlier in the season and their system is a complete mess and exploited massively. I know Leeds have a poor system too with those away season cards, and the Mags system is awful without rolling points building (creating a proper closed shop). Man U and Liverpool have really bad systems too from what I've read on here before. Palace and Norwich (old housemates of mine) have these weird systems that involve you buying tickets for the entire season if you want them - that wouldn't work with us. Can anyone point to another team's system we would want to adopt?
As an aside, I was speaking to some Forest fans earlier in the season and their system is a complete mess and exploited massively. I know Leeds have a poor system too with those away season cards, and the Mags system is awful without rolling points building (creating a proper closed shop). Man U and Liverpool have really bad systems too from what I've read on here before. Palace and Norwich (old housemates of mine) have these weird systems that involve you buying tickets for the entire season if you want them - that wouldn't work with us. Can anyone point to another team's system we would want to adopt?
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L18SFC
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Ours is by far the best I’ve come across. Not without its issues but there’s absolutely no need to throw everything up in the air half a season into our first prem season in nearly a decade. It’ll settle down next season
Secret Visage
Striker
No not with any branch.
Hawkings Boots
Striker
I've yet to see any suggestion that would, in my opinion, be a good and fair system.
Basically, anything that has been suggested takes tickets out of the hands of fans who have attended a large number of aways over the last three years to give them to someone who is suddenly available to attend aways now we are back in the PL
Yes there will be the odd exception that someone has just suddenly been able to attend aways this season (new job, better pay, less family commitments etc) but they are in the minority
Like you say, every system out there has its faults but ours is about as fair as it gets - put the miles in, get your points and you get your tickets.
Buying and selling on needs sorting (ID checks are a good start) and branches using numbers to fill buses needs sorting (no idea how branches operate with that so not sure if ID checks help there) but beyond that I say we wait at least till the end of next season and probably the end of the season after before even floating the idea of changing things
Raich Carter
Striker
Wasn’t this problem for Bristol away on Good Friday!! It didn’t even sell out but now everyone can start travelling again.. makes you think
Gronkowski
Midfield
Same in Regis first game at CardiffWasn’t this problem for Bristol away on Good Friday!! It didn’t even sell out but now everyone can start travelling again.. makes you think
We’ve been fortunate this season that we haven’t had too many short notice unsavoury kick off times. Other than whu & Bournemouth. Which has gave less opportunity for further phases
No Monday aways yet
Heads hurting on this.
Id be up for it but surely as the hardcore plus applicants get a point each the gap will never decrease?
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