Any Other School Staff Going On Strike?

[Lexingtongue]

Seems some schools are opening some are not. I’m talking primary schools in Hartlepool. Forgive me for thinking that if these teachers were not getting full wages a lot would not be so keen to down tools.
It’s not as if there has been an abundance of teachers getting the virus.

Can you share the evidence of teachers' infection rates, mate?

 

[TicoTorres]

How are people finding out about schools being open if it’s a scatter gun approach to then opening/closing?

Wish the government would own their shit instead of passing the Buck continuously

 

[rudd]

Hope the teachers that feel it is "too unsafe" to attend school don't expect any supermarket workers to attend their place of work and are quite happy eating what's in the house for the next fortnight. Wouldn't be like a teacher to be hypocritical now would it?

Obviously completely different environments though.
Supermarkets with usually massive, voluminous buildings, with aircon/extraction. Shop workers having brief interactions with the general public, usually from behind screens with masks.
Teachers stuck in much smaller classrooms for prolonged periods, metres away from tens of students who are one of the groups with most increasing number of cases.

 

[Billericay Dichio]

What happens if our lass or other nurses or doctors , who are participating in the vaccine roll out where to say naahhh am not going in?

Obviously completely different environments though.
Supermarkets with usually massive, voluminous buildings, with aircon/extraction. Shop workers having brief interactions with the general public, usually from behind screens with masks.
Teachers stuck in much smaller classrooms for prolonged periods, metres away from tens of students who are one of the groups with most increasing number of cases.

But long holidays...

 

[Hansel]

Well you’d be wrong

My wife is a supply teacher. If she's not in, no money. Like I said she just wants it to be safer than it is currently. Nothing to do with sitting at home on full pay.

 

[sketchy]

Was just an example I could think of top of my head, I’ve looked at the criteria and looks like it covers most things but I bet some parents slip through the net. Either schools are open or they are shut for me. The trouble is as a nation we’ve come to rely on them as being crèches as much as we have places of learning.

People who sell broadband at BT are classed as key workers. It is a pretty wide net

 

[T_Bone]

My wife is a supply teacher. If she's not in, no money. Like I said she just wants it to be safer than it is currently. Nothing to do with sitting at home on full pay.

Tbh I only posted to wind Andy up. We are mates really.

 

[Invictus]

Need to close supermarkets then.

Their workers will have more interactions with a greater number of different people on a daily basis.

From the bbc:

There is understandable concern about teachers. Research by the Office for National Statistics suggests they have been at no greater risk of infection than other professions working outside the home.

I don’t know if you have been to a supermarket lately, but the checkout staff are behind screens, wear face masks and interact with individual’s for a short period of time.
Theres absolutely no equivalence with the circumstances teachers work under.

 

[TravellingMackem]

Obviously completely different environments though.
Supermarkets with usually massive, voluminous buildings, with aircon/extraction. Shop workers having brief interactions with the general public, usually from behind screens with masks.
Teachers stuck in much smaller classrooms for prolonged periods, metres away from tens of students who are one of the groups with most increasing number of cases.

Teachers limiting contact to a small continuous bubble of students that they should be socially distanced to, or checkout staff that handle food that’s just been handled by the customer, 15 customers an hour on a checkout, 120 customers per shift, each and every shift.

 

[Dilligaf60]

Government not making a decision so schools get the flack

They need a scapegoat.

It's their whole policy for deflecting from their poor decisions. Have the working man fight among themselves.

Keep the plebs A scared. B poor. C uneducated. If A B and C fail, divide and rule. It’s as old as politics.

 

[Billericay Dichio]

Teachers limiting contact to a small continuous bubble of students that they should be socially distanced to, or checkout staff that handle food that’s just been handled by the customer, 15 customers an hour on a checkout, 120 customers per shift, each and every shift.

Kids can go without lessons for two months.
Going without food for that long is problematical for most of us.

 

[AndrewP]

How long until the scarecrow u turns again and closes primary schools?

 

[zinedine]

I don’t know if you have been to a supermarket lately, but the checkout staff are behind screens, wear face masks and interact with individual’s for a short period of time.
Theres absolutely no equivalence with the circumstances teachers work under.

Checkout staff have to handle stuff that customers have had their hands all over. Plus when paying they have to handle cash that has previously been touched by we don't know how many people. It has to be more risky than a classroom environment. Not that a classroom is a safe place to work at present mind.

 

[Hansel]

Checkout staff have to handle stuff that customers have had their hands all over. Plus when paying they have to handle cash that has previously been touched by we don't know how many people. It has to be more risky than a classroom environment. Not that a classroom is a safe place to work at present mind.

Completely mitigated by hand sanitiser surely?

 

[AndrewP]

My wife is a supply teacher. If she's not in, no money. Like I said she just wants it to be safer than it is currently. Nothing to do with sitting at home on full pay.

Me daughter has a supply teacher at the moment so the school are expecting her in.

My two boys aren't allowed in though as their teachers don't think it's a safe environment.

 

[rudd]

Teachers limiting contact to a small continuous bubble of students that they should be socially distanced to, or checkout staff that handle food that’s just been handled by the customer, 15 customers an hour on a checkout, 120 customers per shift, each and every shift.

Fully appreciate that but you do understand the primary transmission is through prolonged contact in same space via the air, and there's very little protection to anyone wearing anything other than n95 masks?
There's a reason supermarkets have hand sanitisers on entry and for use by staff, they can mitigate their risks to infection hugely by effective hand hygiene. You can't do that to the same extent if you're in an enclosed space with an infected person without a n95 mask. There's massive dilution of the viral load in a supermarket because of the size of the environment and number of people in there. School's classroom are probably more densely populated and people are stationary, for long periods, potentially expelling a large viral load in the same space.

 

[Lexingtongue]

Checkout staff have to handle stuff that customers have had their hands all over. Plus when paying they have to handle cash that has previously been touched by we don't know how many people. It has to be more risky than a classroom environment. Not that a classroom is a safe place to work at present mind.

They can sanitise their hands between serves. A primary school teacher can't cycle the classroom air between lessons.

 

[zinedine]

Completely mitigated by hand sanitiser surely?

Hand sanitizer kills the virus but only works for seconds afterwards. All it needs is a careless touch of the face and you could be in trouble. So sanitiser doesn't mitigate the virus and neither does a mask. You touch your eyes wearing a mask and again you're at risk.

 

[Chalks]

They can sanitise their hands between serves. A primary school teacher can't cycle the classroom air between lessons.

No Windows ?

 

[TravellingMackem]

Kids can go without lessons for two months.
Going without food for that long is problematical for most of us.

Obviously you are not a parent

Fully appreciate that but you do understand the primary transmission is through prolonged contact in same space via the air, and there's very little protection to anyone wearing anything other than n95 masks?
There's a reason supermarkets have hand sanitisers on entry and for use by staff, they can mitigate their risks to infection hugely by effective hand hygiene. You can't do that to the same extent if you're in an enclosed space with an infected person without a n95 mask. There's massive dilution of the viral load in a supermarket because of the size of the environment and number of people in there. School's classroom are probably more densely populated and people are stationary, for long periods, potentially expelling a large viral load in the same space.

Teachers can wear a mask, you do understand that, right? And you aren't actually correct. The primary transmission route is via water droplets depositted on surfaces, hence the large campaign about washing hands and using hand sanitiser