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Any Other School Staff Going On Strike?

TravellingMackem said:
Obviously you are not a parent

Teachers can wear a mask, you do understand that, right? And you aren't actually correct. The primary transmission route is via water droplets depositted on surfaces, hence the large campaign about washing hands and using hand sanitiser
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Masks offer little protection to the wearer, other than an N95 mask, which must be initially fitted by a suitably trained person. This isn't being done in schools and current guidance is face coverings should only be used where absolutely necessary in a classroom because of reduction in communication, the essential thing in education, never mind the impact an N95 mask has!
If I'm incorrect about transmission it makes no difference to the point that checkout assistants are shielded by a huge plastic screen and can hugely reduce risk by hand hygiene that is readily available.

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zinedine said:
Hand sanitizer kills the virus but only works for seconds afterwards. All it needs is a careless touch of the face and you could be in trouble. So sanitiser doesn't mitigate the virus and neither does a mask. You touch your eyes wearing a mask and again you're at risk.
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That's almost a perfect example of mitigation
 

TravellingMackem said:
Teachers can wear masks
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But don’t masks only protect others from you, it wouldn’t protect the teacher from the kids. Also imagine teaching in a mask, the kids wouldn’t understand the teacher, some with disabilities or who struggle with language and learning need to see the teachers mouth when listening and learning.
 
Lexingtongue said:
Government themselves have discouraged mask wearing in primary schools, have they not?

So schools are the same then? And in a smaller confined space?
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School air isn't mechanically recirculated like in a supermarket. Customers are in and out quick but the staff are in that enviroment all day. We are told the biggest spread is by hand contact with the virus then touching your face. I wouldn't want to work in a supermarket. Even more so given I wear contact lenses and I regularly touch my eyes
 
Doberman said:
yep, exactly.

it helps provided everyone else is wearing one but the impact it'll have in a room of 40 people will be absolute minimal.

How many other work places are allowing groups of 30+ people to gather in one room? Even some shops have folk queuing outside to avoid too many people in at once!
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Teachers though, they're the problem :rolleyes:
 
zinedine said:
School air isn't mechanically recirculated like in a supermarket. Customers are in and out quick but the staff are in that enviroment all day. We are told the biggest spread is by hand contact with the virus then touching your face. I wouldn't want to work in a supermarket. Even more so given I wear contact lenses and I regularly touch my eyes
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Kids coughing and touching surfaces? Teachers having to comfort young ones who have taken a tumble? The opportunity for contact in schools is very high and it's impossible to keep track of what kids have been touching or doing for an entire day. For every supermarket anecdote there will be one for schools, mate.
 
zinedine said:
Hand sanitizer kills the virus but only works for seconds afterwards. All it needs is a careless touch of the face and you could be in trouble. So sanitiser doesn't mitigate the virus and neither does a mask. You touch your eyes wearing a mask and again you're at risk.
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Arfa Sleep said:
Teachers wear zero PPE, supermarket workers do.

Edit: in some schools the teachers don't wear any PPE and in some other schools they don't wear it when teaching the group but do in smaller groups.
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Sure if I felt that it was bordering on too dangerous to go work now, I’d have been wearing PPE a long time ago, if they haven’t been, why not??
 
Lexingtongue said:
Kids coughing and touching surfaces? Teachers having to comfort young ones who have taken a tumble? The opportunity for contact in schools is very high and it's impossible to keep track of what kids have been touching or doing for an entire day. For every supermarket anecdote there will be one for schools, mate.
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Where I work four people have caught the virus in offices with screens up seperating everybody. There is no safe environment is the reality.
My wife and son both work in schools which is bad enough. I'm glad they don't work in a shop with a constant flow of new possibily infected customers though.
 
It baffles me why people can’t see the risk posed by working with children and young people. Especially littlies, as me mam always called them, you can’t tell them to social distance, you can’t tell them not to snot or cough over you, you can’t tell them not to hug their friends, if they fall and hurt themselves and need comforting do you tell them to hold on a sec while you put a mask on.
And then they go home, to their mams and dads who might go to work in an office, and siblings who might go to a different school.
 
superdougle said:
Sure if I felt that it was bordering on too dangerous to go work now, I’d have been wearing PPE a long time ago, if they haven’t been, why not??
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Teachers in primary schools in Lincolnshire were being told they weren't allowed to wear PPE as the children weren't, which is ridiculous. Also, the limited interaction you're allowed but you can teach 30 kids who've all interacted with other bubbles etc is just increasing the chance of spreading. Given the numbers I don't see an issue with schools being closed a little longer.
 
Doberman said:
those with an issue would have an absolute meltdown (rightly so) if their boss rang up tomorrow morning and said they're needed for an internal meeting, on site, tomorrow in a small room and there'll be 35 people in attendance even if that meeting was only going to last 10 minutes.
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What about bus taxi train drivers people who work on productions lines warehouses, supermarket workers, do they just not go to work??
 
zinedine said:
Where I work four people have caught the virus in offices with screens up seperating everybody. There is no safe environment is the reality.
My wife and son both work in schools which is bad enough. I'm glad they don't work in a shop with a constant flow of new possibily infected customers though.
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Fair enough, mate. I don't think it's a competition, though, and it's clear neither of them are particularly safe. And I'm in anyway tomorrow, despite there being only a handful of kids in. Dunno how it's being organised, but if the years are grouped together I will probably be supervising one group as I don't have timetabled lessons on a Monday.
 
zinedine said:
School air isn't mechanically recirculated like in a supermarket. Customers are in and out quick but the staff are in that enviroment all day. We are told the biggest spread is by hand contact with the virus then touching your face. I wouldn't want to work in a supermarket. Even more so given I wear contact lenses and I regularly touch my eyes
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So what about in primary schools when a kid falls over? Who cleans their knee and gives them a cuddle? My wife has SEN kids in her class, some of them can't wipe their nose themselves. She has another kid with celiac disease and often has to skip her lunch because she's busy cleaning him due to his severe diarrhoea. That's just in one class in one school. Chuck in the fact that they have no control over what goes on away from school such people still letting their kids sleep at each others houses.
 
Arfa Sleep said:
Teachers in primary schools in Lincolnshire were being told they weren't allowed to wear PPE as the children weren't, which is ridiculous. Also, the limited interaction you're allowed but you can teach 30 kids who've all interacted with other bubbles etc is just increasing the chance of spreading. Given the numbers I don't see an issue with schools being closed a little longer.
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Sorry but I can’t believe that!
 
Doberman said:
those with an issue would have an absolute meltdown (rightly so) if their boss rang up tomorrow morning and said they're needed for an internal meeting, on site, tomorrow in a small room and there'll be 35 people in attendance even if that meeting was only going to last 10 minutes.
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Agree, we've been doing briefs to no more than ten people and all wearing masks - teachers aren't immune to it. As others have said, it's easy for the government to shift the blame, as they have done since day one. It's never their fault.
superdougle said:
Sorry but I can’t believe that!
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That's fair enough, I know it's completely true.
 
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