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OzzyMac said:
I wonder if this negativity from some towards the owners affects our chances of bringing some players in. I'm sure that most of them access social media.

I know that when i'm looking at alternative employment i google the company just as if i'm looking to hire someone i google them.
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There have been rumours to that effect.
 
OzzyMac said:
I wonder if this negativity from some towards the owners affects our chances of bringing some players in. I'm sure that most of them access social media.

I know that when i'm looking at alternative employment i google the company just as if i'm looking to hire someone i google them.
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Maybe, but if it is putting them off I would argue that they aren’t the right kind of player for us anyway.
 
G Force said:
The problem is they made a LOT of comments/promises early on which have since either proven to be “economical in truth”

Debt Free
Paying £40m for the club and then the contradicting comments on the use of the parachute payments

Or slightly outlandish

“Piss taking stops here”
“We’re going to bully other academies”
We’re going to buy younger players who are used to playing regularly.
No more injury prone players.
We’re going to scout and recruit well. The right players for the club. We can’t waste money in the market.

They seemed to use those early interviews to say what they believed the fans wanted to hear. They weren’t going to make any of the mistakes of previous owners. Hoorah!

Unfortunately that either wasn’t delivered or is simply something you can’t “promise”.

Yes, they spent a lot of money, but with the same mistakes of the past... it was a rushed window last summer so can forgive for that, but I can’t see them learning from it so far. Hopefully in a few weeks my doubts will have been allayed.

And yes, we’re in League one and it’s impossible/very difficult to stop U16s leaving our academy. However why be so bullish in those early interviews. They also promised big investment into the academy. Has that happened? And have they really got the best person they believe they can hire to run it?

Do they really feel we have the right man to run the scouting? It needed (needs) and absolute overhaul.

We still don’t seem to have a concise plan of action of how to punch above our weight. We’re still awaiting this overhaul of “footballing” systems. Truthfully it doesn’t really feel anything has changed on how we do the “football” side of things in terms of recruitment, coaching, scouting...

Before too many shoot me down, I am fully behind them, Ross and the players. and while I don’t agree with most of these “conspiracies” I can see how they’ve laid ground for them to flourish, and for many fans to feel disgruntled.

Maybe Charlie needs to learn some humility... ;)
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If the idea is to rise above negativity, aggressive comments and twisting facts to suit an agenda he's doing it wrong
 
Roger said:
Maybe, but if it is putting them off I would argue that they aren’t the right kind of player for us anyway.
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I'd agree with that however when we're speaking league 1 wages a couple of hundred pound a week extra may not be enough to put up with the grief.
 
Roger said:
Maybe, but if it is putting them off I would argue that they aren’t the right kind of player for us anyway.
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There's a belief, God knows where it's come from, that, because players are well-paid, they should expect to and be able to cope with unlimited abuse. Sorry, but that's bollocks. No-one will get better in their job as a result of constant abuse. In fact, nervousness will most likely make them worse. All clubs have an element that abuse players, but we (or at least an element of us) seem worse than average. We rush to judgement, and rarely, if ever, does that change. Once a player is labelled shite, that's it. You'll still find people claiming Jordan Henderson is shite, and always was. If it's a balancing factor in even one player deciding not to come here as a result, that's one too many.
 
weebil64 said:
I'm a SC holder and don't need him to question my support. He's part of the ownership of the club and it's his job to run it as efficiently and successfully as he can. My job is to support my team, my club, my Sunderland. He cannot sit there and call me out for having doubts. I've been attending since the early 70s and will be attending as long as I have the ability to do so. He can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned.
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Tbf mate, he isn’t having ago at you. Football is all about opinions and I dare say Charlie is fine with that. The problem over the last few weeks has been some of the clowns on social media, who have gone beyond just questioning the owners - they have made some pretty ridiculous statements to support their own agenda. The vast majority of these arseholes don’t go to the match (unless it’s a big game of course) and look for reasons to defend their shitness.

As I posted earlier, these aren’t the first owners to run into problems with this element. Quinny had issues getting people back to the SOL and went after TV viewers; Short implemented a ridiculous ticketing policy that will fuck the club for years; and finally we can all remember the “I’m not going until Murray has gone” brigade.

I don’t want to derail this thread, but I have argued for years that the shit the City went through in the 70/80/90’s has left a negativity that is like a cancer. Sadly, at times, this is reflected in our non hardcore support and it must piss off the owners hugely. They can see huge potential but getting the 20,000 plus non hardcore support back onboard is almost impossible. Even when performances are going well, they hardly rush back.

Now I know people will instantly say, “but we had a 40,000 average just two seasons ago” but we all know that was built on a truly woeful ticketing policy that Bain was forced to stop to protect the club.

Grumpy Old Man said:
There's a belief, God knows where it's come from, that, because players are well-paid, they should expect to and be able to cope with unlimited abuse. Sorry, but that's bollocks. No-one will get better in their job as a result of constant abuse. In fact, nervousness will most likely make them worse. All clubs have an element that abuse players, but we (or at least an element of us) seem worse than average. We rush to judgement, and rarely, if ever, does that change. Once a player is labelled shite, that's it. You'll still find people claiming Jordan Henderson is shite, and always was. If it's a balancing factor in even one player deciding not to come here as a result, that's one too many.
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It’s a City wide issue mate. People love to find negatives and at times it’s painful to watch.
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
We really do have some precious fans mind. The vast majority must know that his comments aren't aimed at them. He's literally listed a whole load of examples of things he thinks it's perfectly fair to be unhappy/ worried/ complain about, everything from kids leaving the academy (which they can't really prevent) through to whether we think their way of working would have a chance in the championship and being pissed off at only coming fifth. If any of that kind of thing is worrying you or pissing you off, he's explicitly stated that his comments aren't referring to you.

The only example he gave of something he considers unhelpful is fans getting in touch with a paper asking them to try and dig dirt on the owners. I would imagine you can also throw into the mix people who invent conspiracy theories then peddle them on places like this. He says so called fans because people like this aren't supporting at all whilst doing this, they might go to matches, they might not, but if they want what's best for the club they have to realise that shit like that be harmful. By all means question things, they even brought GOM in to discuss finances etc, so they're being as open and honest as owners of a business can be (but even then they have people effectively suggesting that GOM is in their pockets and the likes).

If we don't do good business in this transfer window and we start poorly it sounds like he fully expects and understands criticism. I imagine he'd be fine with people criticising the decision to keep Ross should that happen. Be as miserable and unhappy with our situation as you want (with good reason tbh), all he's saying is not to go around spreading disinformation, making libelous statements (like we've seen on here recently) and trying to get the gutter press to target them so that they have to waste time dealing with that instead of getting on with the job. I think it's fair enough
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Spot on, great post. The owners have received shameful abuse lately, yet some of the protagonists are up in arms because they have taken a comment made by Methven completely out of context.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
There have been rumours to that effect.
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Are we seriously heading down that avenue? Supporters are to blame for recruitment struggles because some are questioning the owners? A year after our owners effectively waged war on agents and said the piss taking party stops here?

We are moving in to twilight zone levels of ridiculousness here mind. If there are rumours to that effect, it would be easy to guess who is putting them out and their reasons for doing so.

If our fans are being blamed for recruitment failures and even for articles that are published by national newspapers then every single supporter should be pointing out how absolutely ludicrous that notion is
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Funnily enough, in person he's actually very likeable. I don't trust him completely; I don't think he'd tell me an outright lie, but he probably wouldn't tell me the whole truth either. However, as a bloke to have a drink with, he's amiable company.
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I just sense from him he thinks hes better than us. That he just sees us as northern monkeys and knuckledraggers who are to be put in their place when they dare ask any uncomfortable questions.
 
G Force said:
The problem is they made a LOT of comments/promises early on which have since either proven to be “economical in truth”

Debt Free
Paying £40m for the club and then the contradicting comments on the use of the parachute payments

Or slightly outlandish

“Piss taking stops here”
“We’re going to bully other academies”
We’re going to buy younger players who are used to playing regularly.
No more injury prone players.
We’re going to scout and recruit well. The right players for the club. We can’t waste money in the market.

They seemed to use those early interviews to say what they believed the fans wanted to hear. They weren’t going to make any of the mistakes of previous owners. Hoorah!

Unfortunately that either wasn’t delivered or is simply something you can’t “promise”.

Yes, they spent a lot of money, but with the same mistakes of the past... it was a rushed window last summer so can forgive for that, but I can’t see them learning from it so far. Hopefully in a few weeks my doubts will have been allayed.

And yes, we’re in League one and it’s impossible/very difficult to stop U16s leaving our academy. However why be so bullish in those early interviews. They also promised big investment into the academy. Has that happened? And have they really got the best person they believe they can hire to run it?

Do they really feel we have the right man to run the scouting? It needed (needs) and absolute overhaul.

We still don’t seem to have a concise plan of action of how to punch above our weight. We’re still awaiting this overhaul of “footballing” systems. Truthfully it doesn’t really feel anything has changed on how we do the “football” side of things in terms of recruitment, coaching, scouting...

Before too many shoot me down, I am fully behind them, Ross and the players. and while I don’t agree with most of these “conspiracies” I can see how they’ve laid ground for them to flourish, and for many fans to feel disgruntled.

Maybe Charlie needs to learn some humility... ;)
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Good post, I don't recognise some of the comments that you have attributed to them but I may have just missed them. The owners have certainly been disingenuous with their explanation of the deal to buy the club but according to @Grumpy Old Man nothing illegal and I trust his judgement. I pay for my SC's to support my team and not to become embroiled in financial examinations by people who know the sum of absolutely nowt. If the owners make a bob or two, good luck to them, that's why they bought the club. At the same time, as a club, we are in a much healthier position than we were when the took over last year.
 
Alma said:
Spot on, great post. The owners have received shameful abuse lately, yet some of the protagonists are up in arms because they have taken a comment made by Methven completely out of context.
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£40m paid to buy the club? Taken out of context?

Parasites? Out of context?

Comments about having the biggest budget and healthiest financial situation of all EFL clubs? Taken out of context?

Digs at supporters on Metro radio after play off final? Taken out of context?

Supporters partly responsible for Daily Mail article? Taken out of context?

A cabal? Taken out of context?

Any abuse, particularly personal, is not on. It shouldn’t happen. Those that do it are embarrassing themselves. Analysing what the owners are saying, criticising inconsistencies, calling out contradictions and silly comments made by them does not constitute abuse though. There has been as much abuse of people who have voiced their critical opinions of the owners. That is seemingly fair
 
The Sheepfolds End said:
£40m paid to buy the club? Taken out of context?

Parasites? Out of context?

Comments about having the biggest budget and healthiest financial situation of all EFL clubs? Taken out of context?

Digs at supporters on Metro radio after play off final? Taken out of context?

Supporters partly responsible for Daily Mail article? Taken out of context?

A cabal? Taken out of context?

Any abuse, particularly personal, is not on. It shouldn’t happen. Those that do it are embarrassing themselves. Analysing what the owners are saying, criticising inconsistencies, calling out contradictions and silly comments made by them does not constitute abuse though. There has been as much abuse of people who have voiced their critical opinions of the owners. That is seemingly fair
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Did you read my comment before spouting your shite? I said a comment was taken out of context not multiple comments. The word cabal has a specific meaning which has been taken out of context on this thread, either that or it has been deliberately misused to continue a specific agenda against the owners.
 
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