A stupid gamble on evil machines....

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Dave Herbal said:
Q: Why is gambling such an acceptable part of life?

A: Because the people who make decisions on our behalf make money from it.

They should ban advertising for a kick off.
Make shops have blank, opaque windows. Make all fruits over 18s only.
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The amount of money spent on advertising by gambling firms is rising, year on year. There are now calls to curb this rising trend.
 


Off on a slight tangent but Joey Barton was correct for once when said the FA doesn't like players betting etc but the football industry as a whole will jump it bed and whore itself out with a number of 'official betting partners'
 
monkeytassle said:
He was betting against his now team man. The guys a moron. And he's never right.
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I understand why the ban is in place but surely the FA have to realise that whoring themselves out with betting companies can encourage this
 
foolzy said:
I understand why the ban is in place but surely the FA have to realise that whoring themselves out with betting companies can encourage this
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Why? If I as a spectator want to bet on a game that's fine. If I'm betting on first throw in a nd taking kick off it's an entirely different kettle of fish.
 
monkeytassle said:
Why? If I as a spectator want to bet on a game that's fine. If I'm betting on first throw in a nd taking kick off it's an entirely different kettle of fish.
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You really don't see the link?? Barton was an arse and deserved his ban but the FA should do more
 
foolzy said:
I understand why the ban is in place but surely the FA have to realise that whoring themselves out with betting companies can encourage this
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That's not even mild justification for Barton's behaviour.

Regardless of your opinion of the gambling and 'leisure' industry, he bet against the team he was playing for. Blokes an utter moron.
 
foolzy said:
Off on a slight tangent but Joey Barton was correct for once when said the FA doesn't like players betting etc but the football industry as a whole will jump it bed and whore itself out with a number of 'official betting partners'
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He wasn't, and he was doing nothing but once again trying to deflect away from his own wrongdoing. Always somebody else's fault.
The FA has never said it has a problem with players betting other than on the sport they have both a direct and indirect influence over. They are allowed to bet on the horses, go the casino, buy a scratch card or go to the bingo and nobody will say a word.
The media love to portray him as a victim and some sort of intelligent footballer who would be a great role model if only the authorities would leave him alone. The truth is that he is little more than a persistent petty criminal who has been lucky enough to have career in football.
His 'story' always sells so the media will keep peddling it as long as people buy into his narrative. He should be called out for what he is.
 
i must be in the minority but I have a superb record on 20p roulette. stick £10 in every saturday before heading to the pub and more often then not im leaving with atleast £30 profit. I'm obviously not looking for major wins, just a little extra to pay for my beer.
 
RestlessNatives said:
He wasn't, and he was doing nothing but once again trying to deflect away from his own wrongdoing. Always somebody else's fault.
The FA has never said it has a problem with players betting other than on the sport they have both a direct and indirect influence over. They are allowed to bet on the horses, go the casino, buy a scratch card or go to the bingo and nobody will say a word.
The media love to portray him as a victim and some sort of intelligent footballer who would be a great role model if only the authorities would leave him alone. The truth is that he is little more than a persistent petty criminal who has been lucky enough to have career in football.
His 'story' always sells so the media will keep peddling it as long as people buy into his narrative. He should be called out for what he is.
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Spot on. Awful human being. Petulant and violent. Sooner he fucks off the better.
 
Anth9ftm said:
thing is though, it's not actually max spin £50, it's automatically set up at £50 but if you have a grid card at ladbrokes or a card at will hill it can be put back to £100 by simply saying to the cashier, i want to bet £100 a spin.
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Isnt it the law that a maximum spin is £50?
 
Macho said:
Isnt it the law that a maximum spin is £50?
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Nah you can 100% get it upped to £100, of you go over the £50 stake a message comes up along the lines of 'to increase your stake, speak to a cashier about joining the high roller club' they'll sign you up to a grid card or whatever then every time you play you put that in and your default max stake will be set at £100
 
Anth9ftm said:
Nah you can 100% get it upped to £100, of you go over the £50 stake a message comes up along the lines of 'to increase your stake, speak to a cashier about joining the high roller club' they'll sign you up to a grid card or whatever then every time you play you put that in and your default max stake will be set at £100
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£100 a spin in a f***ing bookies nudgie

Seems madness they can get away with it.
 
Children are being bombarded with a record number of gambling adverts as betting websites embark on an unprecedented spending spree to attract new customers.

Figures show that the industry has spent £1.4 billion on advertising since 2012, with online casinos doubling their marketing budgets over the past five years.

Britain’s biggest charity to help addicts is so concerned about the increasing volume of advertising that it is urging ministers to introduce stricter rules. Writing today in The Times, Kate Lampard, the chairwoman of GambleAware, says: “With the average age at which children start to watch post-watershed TV unsupervised being 11¾, restrictions based on a 9pm watershed may offer little protection.

“We need to balance the array of [commercial gambling] advertising

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-exposed-to-huge-rise-in-gambling-adverts-brw78dqgc
 
Used to get into my local hills at 17, got hooked in by all of my mates who all did it. I was doing £100 spins like its nothing, virtual horse racing, cockroach racing, deal or no deal! It's a disgrace. It's the culture now it's normal to lose a lot of money. Won 11 grand on an acca 3 years ago thankfully I've not gone off the rails and betting ridiculous. 20-50 a week which I can afford.
 
raindog said:
The government’s failure to clamp down on fixed-odds betting terminalsmust be down to stupidity or corruption and I’m not sure which of those I hope it is.

Which is better? Idiots or crooks? It would make a good parlour game.

It’s possible that I’ve spent more time among sick gamblers than you have (and if that’s not the case, we probably know each other). But if you’ve popped into a friendly high street bookmaker’s any time in the last 10 years, to bet on the FA Cup final or get some change for the parking meter, then you’ll have seen a “FOBT”.

A FOBT is a sort of glorified fruit machine with a choice of games (roulette, virtual sport, novelties) and a massive possible loss rate. The biggest difference between the old fruities and these devices, waved through by the Blair government of 2001, is that you can lose £500 a minute on a FOBT.

And people do.

How many times, in the year ending September 2016, do you think somebody lost more than £1,000 on one of these machines?

Have a think. We aren’t talking about rich people, glitzy casinos or friends having a big night out. We’re talking about people on their own, playing the slots on regular, trafficky, local streets. Poor people. Bored people. Sometimes desperate, sometimes ill. Lonely old men. Women with their babies locked in the car outside. The average national wage is about £25,000. How many times, over a year, do you think £1,000 or more was lost in a single gambling session, on a local high street, in these circumstances?

No. You’re wrong.

It was 233,071 times.

I mean, for fuck’s sake.

Let me confess: I myself have, often, lost more than £1,000 in a single gambling session. But when I’m losing £500 a minute, this is what I’m getting:

A high-end Las Vegas casino has sent a limousine to collect me from the airport. I’ve got a complimentary hotel room with a view of the iconic Vegas Strip. I’ve got free meals, free cocktails and a cabana (a sort of shady little house with loungers and a drinks cabinet) by a luxurious swimming pool.

This doesn’t make me clever. It makes me a mug. This is what casinos give you if they think you can afford to lose the money. But your man down the Kilburn High Road, losing at the exact same rate because he’s depressed, lost, stuck, sad and has nowhere else to be, gets the square root of sod all. He gets monotony, shame and kicked out at 10pm.

This guy (or girl) hasn’t opted in consciously. They never meant to get involved for those hours or play for those sums. They didn’t join a casino, they wandered into the bookies: outlets once considered cheery and welcome on British high streets because betting on horses is traditional, fun and, to a great extent, social. But in 2001, a black hole was unrolled in the middle of them. FOBTs are demons, succubi, squatting between the chemist and the bus stop like a pile of heroin on a cheese trolley.

UK city dwellers complain that there are now dozens of bookies in their nearest shopping street where there used to be one. But most don’t know why that is.

It’s because the government capped the number of FOBTs at four per shop. But these things are free money to their owners. Punters lose and lose and lose. And when they disappear, or kill themselves, or their child is taken into care and they start self-medicating with drugs instead, someone else steps blindly up to feed the monster. So, if you’re only allowed four per shop, open more shops!

What optimistic fool, no doubt some well-meaning MP or civil servant, thought up that “four max” rule? Did you think you were smarter than the bookies, love? We’ve all been there. That’s the fast route to eating cat food out of the tin.

But the latest government move can’t be about optimism. Everyone was expecting the betting cap (or possible loss) on these machines to be slashed. Labour and the Lib Dems went into the election actively promising it; the Tories hadn’t yet committed, but John Whittingdale warned the Association of British Bookmakers: “I can’t say I would be surprised if there are quite radical measures produced… You should brace yourself.”

And then, last week, Philip Hammond decided there would actually be no curb at all – because, according to a Whitehall source in the Daily Mail, the attendant loss of tax revenues would be “financially crippling”.

Is this bent or just stupid? The shops pay 25% duty on FOBTs (it’s much cheaper for them than horseracing). In return, we get an expensive rise in crime, theft and embezzlement, family breakdown, costly court proceedings and criminal damage as the machines are often smashed up. Meanwhile, many FOBT addicts are on welfare, so 100% of the money they put into the machines goes out of the Treasury and 25% comes back. Well done everybody.

Let’s say it’s not bent. The lobbying and hospitality for MPs is massive and rising, but I’d hate to suggest any impropriety. So that suggests a moronic misunderstanding of the true maths in play.

The argument is not being had on moral grounds. If our government said they were libertarians, planning to decriminalise all drugs and abolish income taxalongside this invitation to go skint in 10 minutes at teatime in the shop next to Tesco, we could have an interesting debate. We could weigh up that freedom against the depression and suicide, the abandoned children and associated crime, and really challenge ourselves.

But they argue this situation is financially profitable for us, as a nation? They think we make money from it? Jesus. That’s their understanding of economics? As professional gamblers say about chumps: I’d like to be locked up with them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/19/a-stupid-gamble-on-evil-machines


Obviously just money-sucking machines, designed to sap as much as possible from people with, often, serious addiction issues.

Smash the f***ing lot of them to pieces
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Thank you for posting that. I had no idea. I have learned a lot.

What disgusting avarice and pathetic immorality from our politicians. It just adds to my contempt for all of them.
 
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