36.566 Leeds average

[oddbod]

What other parameters would you use for club size?

You are right in a way money is the only true arbiter of club size ..but the standing of a club in game of football was (perhaps not now )more than its bank balance ..it was an salmagundi of its history, its trophies and its fanbase ..............those last three are becoming irrelevant and its destroying the game in my book. Because of the pyramid nature of our football there is nothing stopping say a Jim Radcliff type figure (and im surprised somebody hasn't done this with another minnow) from taking eg North Shields to the top of the premiership!in reality all it would take would be a shit load of money and time!Do you see how money is destroying the game bit by bit ,destroying what made it great !

 

[Barndoor]

Some very deluded people on this thread.

Sunderland have a small catchment area relatively speaking. Leeds have one of the biggest footballing catchment areas in Europe.

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

The only clubs bigger than Leeds in the UK are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal for sure. With their success you have to say man city and Chelsea. Celtic bigger too.

Leeds are the 7th biggest club in the UK and to suggest otherwise is stupid.


Sunderland sell tickets for about a fiver because the grounds too big. No other cubs sell cheap tickets in all around of the ground like sunderland do.

If other clubs did what Sunderland do then they'd get the same or higher attendances.

Sunderland does not sell tickets for a £5 and the SOL is about the right size for the club..

 

[Rammstein]

leeds have unlimited potential.


Leeds would have sold out 50k many times if capacity allowed.

Leeds could have sold out 50k many times...... ??? Doesn't quite correlate to the actual attendances??

Average Attendance

2021-2022: 34,376 (Premier League)

2020-2021: N/A (Covid-19)

2019-2020: 27,643 (Championship)

2018-2019: 33,598 (Championship)

2017-2018: 31,525 (Championship )

 

[Real class of 92]

Leeds could have sold out 50k many times...... ??? Doesn't quite correlate to the actual attendances??

Average Attendance

2021-2022: 34,376 (Premier League)

2020-2021: N/A (Covid-19)

2019-2020: 27,643 (Championship)

2018-2019: 33,598 (Championship)

2017-2018: 31,525 (Championship )

Think you will find those figures are incorrect

2021-22 36,308 (prem)
2019-20 35,321 (champ)
2018-19 34,033 (champ)
2017-18 31,525 (champ)

 

[houghton cut head]

Some very deluded people on this thread.

Sunderland have a small catchment area relatively speaking. Leeds have one of the biggest footballing catchment areas in Europe.

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

The only clubs bigger than Leeds in the UK are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal for sure. With their success you have to say man city and Chelsea. Celtic bigger too.

Leeds are the 7th biggest club in the UK and to suggest otherwise is stupid.


Sunderland sell tickets for about a fiver because the grounds too big. No other cubs sell cheap tickets in all around of the ground like sunderland do.

If other clubs did what Sunderland do then they'd get the same or higher attendances.

Fuck me, and we thought The Mags were deluded

 

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[Dave Hosselhaff]

Even you largest ever crowd at Elland Road was due to Sunderland supporters, That speaks volumes as to who is biggest.

The club's record attendance is 57,892 against Sunderland at Elland Road, in a fifth round FA Cup replay in 1967

Bars steward was just going to post that.
Leeds are a bit meh

 

[Bald King]

Sunderland are an absolute giant, our attendances dwarf those of Leeds and Leicester even when we're in the champo and they're in the Premier Liga.

And they are miles bigger cities with density of catchment in a 460 degree angle

 

[Shotton axe man]

Some very deluded people on this thread.

Sunderland have a small catchment area relatively speaking. Leeds have one of the biggest footballing catchment areas in Europe.

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

The only clubs bigger than Leeds in the UK are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal for sure. With their success you have to say man city and Chelsea. Celtic bigger too.

Leeds are the 7th biggest club in the UK and to suggest otherwise is stupid.


Sunderland sell tickets for about a fiver because the grounds too big. No other cubs sell cheap tickets in all around of the ground like sunderland do.

If other clubs did what Sunderland do then they'd get the same or higher attendances.

So why do Leeds continually average less than Sunderland then?

Slavering on about ground size but you weren’t selling out so that speaks for itself. As for ticket pricing you’re talking complete shite, you can’t just make things up and state them as a fact… especially when speaking to an audience that knows.

Also as for pretending to be a Sunderland supporter and now pretending to follow Leeds, I would have thought you couldn’t possibly embarrass yourself anymore but low and behold everything you post makes you look like a bigger piece of vile sub human shit.

Get a life ya f***ing scrubba.

It’s a funny thing the internet.
You usually find that a gobshite on it is usually a gobshite in the “real” world aswell .
Are you a season ticket holder at Elland Road by the way?

He watches Newcastle mostly on the telly, most likely from somewhere like Darlington and been to the ground less times in his life than you have last season. Scratter of the highest order.

 

[SAFCOldie]

Always in Huddersfields shadow if you ask me.

 

[wednesday1957]

Problem with Sheffield, its a divided city,
We now have to compete with United, playing in the Prem with prices far lower than ours, that is no doubt going to impinge on Wednesdays attendances, because historically, not so much in these latter years, but there were still some went to both grounds,
If you look at Sheffield there were nigh on 50'000 attending in the third division if you took both teams average, .
any floating supporter who lives in Sheffield and is going to go the football, would want their heads testing if they didn't go to see Man City come to the lane at at a decent price rather than tip up and pay over £40 at our place.
Next season is going to be for , not only the die hard Wednesday fan, but the one who can afford it.
From looking like we were going somewhere a couple of months ago, our chairman has royally p*ssed on the bonfire, alienated supporters and turned what was a celebration into a bloody wake.
If we average 25k next season , I will be surprised, the walk up prices are eyewatering, and once you lose supporters these days , with the cost of living etc, they soon find something else to do, and take some dragging back, who can blame them?
Until this chairman walks, sadly we are going to struggle

head down, keep going (If you can afford to)

 

[Jelly Belly]

no that was the inter City fairs cup it changed to the fairs cup and access was gained through league position and was then renamed eufa cup so you are totally wrong

He's been deleted but this is bollocks, it wasn't changed to 'the fairs cup' it was always known as the 'Inter City Fairs Cup'. Has he shuffled off to a job on GB News with those attempts at chatting made up shite?

 

[Wearside 100]

Leeds would have sold 50,000 plus in the prem if the ground was big enough. Every game was soldout at home weeks before the match.

Leeds are the biggest club in the championship by far. End of conversation.

No there not!! not even the biggest club in Yorkshire.

 

[JackL]

To be fair we are bigger than all of the relegated teams so I would expect us to have bigger crowds. Leeds home crowds are shit for such a large city with the exception of a few years in the Premier League

Sunderland are bigger than Leeds?

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

Definitely, the fact that it's been done to death on here leads me to think a load of neutrals should decide. I'd say about 90% would say Leeds

 

[Lo Ursem]

A tiny claim to fame...was counted among those in Leeds all-time home attendance record...was quite a night.

Yes - an incredible evening from talking to lads who were there. Lucky there was no fatalities as crush barriers gave way and the game was held up as dozens of fans were taken to hospital.

 

[Ohnonotagain]

You are right in a way money is the only true arbiter of club size ..but the standing of a club in game of football was (perhaps not now )more than its bank balance ..it was an salmagundi of its history, its trophies and its fanbase ..............those last three are becoming irrelevant and its destroying the game in my book. Because of the pyramid nature of our football there is nothing stopping say a Jim Radcliff type figure (and im surprised somebody hasn't done this with another minnow) from taking eg North Shields to the top of the premiership!in reality all it would take would be a shit load of money and time!Do you see how money is destroying the game bit by bit ,destroying what made it great !

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Fly]

You are right in a way money is the only true arbiter of club size ..but the standing of a club in game of football was (perhaps not now )more than its bank balance ..it was an salmagundi of its history, its trophies and its fanbase ..............those last three are becoming irrelevant and its destroying the game in my book. Because of the pyramid nature of our football there is nothing stopping say a Jim Radcliff type figure (and im surprised somebody hasn't done this with another minnow) from taking eg North Shields to the top of the premiership!in reality all it would take would be a shit load of money and time!Do you see how money is destroying the game bit by bit ,destroying what made it great !

Regardless of the merit of your argument - and I agree wholeheartedly - please have a well deserved like for the first recorded use of the word ‘salmagundi’ I have seen on this amazing message board. 10/10

 

[Cat 3]

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Leeds qualified for all European campaigns not as been suggested through an invite bit by league position. In any case 2 European Cup semi finals and a final since 1970 is not too shabby. Throw in a cup winners cup final as well for good measure.In my lifetime we have won the top league 3 times.

Our ground is considerably smaller than Sunderland's and with 50,000 members and a ST waiting list of 22,000 I am confident that an increased capacity would be filled. Don't forget Sunderland only averaged above 20,000 on 6 ocassions in a 20 year period through 1980-99 when you were at RP with its lower capacity.

I think if you asked other teams fans who is the bigger you would get a fairer reflection.

You peaked at 24k in league 1. We had 4 seasons over 30,000 +

 

[Rammstein]

Regardless of the merit of your argument - and I agree wholeheartedly - please have a well deserved like for the first recorded use of the word ‘salmagundi’ I have seen on this amazing message board. 10/10

Hhmmm perhaps deduct .5 as he preceded it with 'an' rather than 'a'.

I have to admit that's a heck of an impressive word, though!

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

So why do Leeds continually average less than Sunderland then?

Slavering on about ground size but you weren’t selling out so that speaks for itself. As for ticket pricing you’re talking complete shite, you can’t just make things up and state them as a fact… especially when speaking to an audience that knows.

Also as for pretending to be a Sunderland supporter and now pretending to follow Leeds, I would have thought you couldn’t possibly embarrass yourself anymore but low and behold everything you post makes you look like a bigger piece of vile sub human shit.

Get a life ya f***ing scrubba.

He watches Newcastle mostly on the telly, most likely from somewhere like Darlington and been to the ground less times in his life than you have last season. Scratter of the highest order.

I know he's a mag pretending to be a Leeds fan but he probably doesn't even know he's right about the fiver or he's just too thick to explain what he means. It costs our U18s just £105 for a ST so just £4.57 over 23 games, or £2.40 for U16s Even the U22s pay just £7.83 a game and this is why the SOL size is class as we're one of few clubs who take the piss out of loyal fans who commit to buying a season ticket. Very few clubs allow their U22 fans to buy concession tickets in over 90% of the ground as all the clubs I've mentioned either have a 2 stands, just 1 stand or even just sections of a stand with the discounted prices.

If Leeds had a similar pricing structure then I'd dare say they'd sell out a 40,000 stadium no bother. I say that given their Championship prices in the 2016/17 season were higher than what ours are now, considerably higher in some stands/areas also. Another clue to the higher prices their fans are being charged is that they got £10.2m in gate receipts that season from just 27,698 fans. Last time we were in the Premier League in 2016/17 we got £10.4m from an average of 41,287 fans.

They got £12.6m in 2018/19 in their Championship's last full season accounts from 34,000 fans, yet in their 2021/22 season in the Premier League their revenue went up to £24.5m from 36,405 fans. They finished 17th and only got knocked out in both Cups in their 1st games, both away so that won't have added much to match day revenue. Unless those extra 2,400 fans were paying £5,000 each a ST then they've obviously put prices up since 2017/18. That's an average of nearly £660 per fan and last season with our £9.48m from 39,046 fans is an average of £243. It's not just the higher STs either, it seems they're limiting the amount of available STs. That's obviously so they can sell out the rest of the ground at full match day prices taking the piss out of fans as said here by @Real class of 92 which is shocking.

Our ST base has remained unchanged over the last 4 years (23,000 approx) but what has changed is the waiting list which is 22,000. The club have decided not to sell anymore STs during this period bar replacing the few hundred that do not renew with those at the top of waiting list. The clubs stance is that with an additional 50,000 members paying £50 a pop for a membership they need to have a fair crack at getting tickets

Know plenty of Leeds fans around where I have my ST that are paying double per game from what I pay if I break my ST down to a match by match status. My ST for last season was £389. Someone doing those 19 home games with just a membership would have paid circa £800.

Can you imagine if we got promoted to the PL but SAFC kept the Premier concourse closed and limited the sale of STs to just 22,000 but priced the same as Leeds pricing structure and then asked the remaining 50,000 fans to pay £50 just for a chance to be first to buy a match day ticket at full Leeds prices?

Maybe now some will get the point of my waffling posts as like I've said a few times, it's a bit of a blinkered view if people just focus on the attendance figures alone and start slating other clubs by that number alone or have a bit tit for tat throwing attendance numbers around like confetti. If some were to take off the blinkers and realise we've got one of the best pricing structures for fans as the club doesn't take the piss out of fans while other clubs do then they may not even bother with the 'quite often' dick waving contest and naive comments.

But even disregarding the ripping of a match day fans by some clubs, of course we've still got one of the best, largest and loyalist followings and are 'bigger' than Leeds