• The forums will be unavailable for a few hours on Saturday 6th June, when they do return they will initially be in a degraded state with some features missing, but normal posting/reading will be possible. The main website will not be affected by these updates.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.
    Some other features of the forum are also currently disabled.

36.566 Leeds average

Lo Ursem said:
Not all of the ground capacity is given over to season tickets. Attendances should be the same as last season

I know. Football is booming. Leeds are a one club one city outfit with a huge captive support.
Click to expand...
Yes. But surely those fans waiting to buy season tickets will be snapping up the match day ones. So should be capacity crowd every game surely?
 

I see the avid, knowledgeable newly joined 'fan' known as SAFC61who spent his short time here praising Leeds while purporting to be a Sunderland fan ( aye, right! ) has now changed his forum name to the snappier and more appropriate 'Deleted Member'😁😁
 
my two bob worth. Never thought of Leeds as a huge club myself. Recon if Sunderland and Leeds had unlimited sized grounds and both
doing roughly the same, good or bad Sunderland would wee all over Leeds Attendance wise. That's what I think is the true measurement
of how big a club is. Who cares if a club won 4 titles in the 1920's looks good on the resume, but has no relevance today. that's why I don't regard Sheff wed
as a huge club either, titles when Dino's roamed and not spectacular crowds. I know almost everyone else thinks there massive for some reason. Not Sunderland
by the way, so its unbiased opinion.
 
oddbod said:
With the mighty pound as your only assessment tool..the mighty Brentford and Brighton are colossus's when compared to us! We cannot however wave a magic wand and remove TV revenue from football ,its here to stay and until we join the party we are going to be minnows as crowd attendance and fan base are in financial terms nearly irrelevant for teams like brighton or brentford.
Click to expand...
What other parameters would you use for club size?
 
Binxy said:
If our prices were similar we'd sell the exact same amount of tickets as we do now.
How many would stop going if they had to pay £500 as apposed to £400? = not many.
How many u18 would stop going if they had to pay £200 as apposed to £99? = not many.

I don't go with the argument that we only get big crowds because it's cheap.
Click to expand...

Did you not see the Sheff Wed prices in the other thread and what I said? Where is the £500/£200 from though it would probably be for 1 stand so limited availability.

"This is Sheff Wed's prices below and for someone aged 17 to 24 the cheapest is £450 for 1 stand and £560 for 2 others and £640. All the Sheff Wed fans aged 17-21 pay those amounts, whereas our fans that age pay £165 for most of the ground in all 4 stands. If we had the same pricing structure as Sheff Wed it would certainly affect the numbers surely given we must have 1000s of fans aged 17-21? Even Sheff Wed's 12-16 ticket prices are £225 for 3 stands compared to our £96 or £48 for all 4 stands so again would certainly affect our numbers."

An adult at Sheff Wed is a minimum £595 in the Kop and then £735 in 2 other stands and £835 in the 4th stand. There's no way all SAFC fans could still afford to go (or be willing to pay that much) if they charged the prices like Sheff Wed along with restricted concession areas. Our U16s are just £55 whereas it would cost £225 for a 12-15 year old at Sheff Wed. An adult at Sheff Wed paying £595 with is two 12-15 year old kids would be a total of £1,035 restricted to just 1 stand and up to £1,265 in the South Stand. Whereas at the SOL, an adult with 2 kids pays a total £530 in the North/South stand or £638 in East/West stand so just over half the price.

Southampton have a similar initial concession price but only in the family section of less than 5,000 available seats. If fans can't get in that section then it's £857 in half a stand behind goals up to £977 for the outer East/West stand and more for being central. This also doesn't take into account the higher single match day ticket prices either as not all available tickets are STs and Sheff Wed want £59 for a Cat A game. Leeds are supposedly restricting STs according to what @Real class of 92 said HERE. Probably because they know they can sell the singles as they charge fans to be a member also, as do other clubs as their limited by capacity. Leeds prices 5 seasons ago were similar to ours now so who knows what they are now given they've been in the PL.

It's a no brainer that we get bigger crowds thanks to the size of the SOL and it's not just the lower prices. It's the fact that most of our ground has concession availability unlike other clubs who milk the fans by only having few sections of seats. I'll say it again, there's no doubt we've got class support, home and away, as has been proven for decades now but it's a bit of blinkered view to try to compare it directly to other clubs on just the attendance numbers alone. If other clubs had a 49K stadium with our prices then it's a certainty most would get higher crowds than they do now and the difference wouldn't be as large. That's why, for example, someone saying Sheff Wed aren't filling their ground and possibly slagging of their fans is a very blinkered view to have when you factor in just how much their fans have to pay. It's a piss take of their fans in my opinion and I'd bet @Visiting owl and @wednesday1957 will agree.
 
Last edited:
chatnoir said:
In the premiership last season this was Leeds average gate, so you'd imagine that in the Championship it might be lower. Southampton and Leicester were lower. We've already outdone these numbers with our season tickets/cards, so are we all confident around having the best gates in the Championship?
Click to expand...
I think their capacity is about 37,000.
 
Sporty said:
Did you not see the Sheff Wed prices in the other thread and what I said? Where is the £500/£200 from though it would probably be for 1 stand so limited availability.

"This is Sheff Wed's prices below and for someone aged 17 to 24 the cheapest is £450 for 1 stand and £560 for 2 others and £640. All the Sheff Wed fans aged 17-21 pay those amounts, whereas our fans that age pay £165 for most of the ground in all 4 stands. If we had the same pricing structure as Sheff Wed it would certainly affect the numbers surely given we must have 1000s of fans aged 17-21? Even Sheff Wed's 12-16 ticket prices are £225 for 3 stands compared to our £96 or £48 for all 4 stands so again would certainly affect our numbers."

An adult at Sheff Wed is a minimum £595 in the Kop and then £735 in 2 other stands and £835 in the 4th stand. There's no way all SAFC fans could still afford to go (or be willing to pay that much) if they charged the prices like Sheff Wed along with restricted concession areas. Our U16s are just £55 whereas it would cost £225 for a 12-15 year old at Sheff Wed. An adult at Sheff Wed paying £595 with is two 12-15 year old kids would be a total of £1,035 restricted to just 1 stand and up to £1,265 in the South Stand. Whereas at the SOL, an adult with 2 kids pays a total £530 in the North/South stand or £638 in East/West stand so just over half the price.

Southampton have a similar initial concession price but only in the family section of less than 5,000 available seats. If fans can't get in that section then it's £857 in half a stand behind goals up to £977 for the outer East/West stand and more for being central. This also doesn't take into account the higher single match day ticket prices either as not all available tickets are STs and Sheff Wed want £59 for a Cat A game. Leeds are supposedly restricting STs according to what @Real class of 92 said HERE. Probably because they know they can sell the singles as they charge fans to be a member also, as do other clubs as their limited by capacity. Leeds prices 5 seasons ago were similar to ours now so who knows what they are now given they've been in the PL.

It's a no brainer that we get bigger crowds thanks to the size of the SOL and it's not just the lower prices. It's the fact that most of our ground has concession availability unlike other clubs who milk the fans by only having few sections of seats. I'll say it again, there's no doubt we've got class support, home and away, as has been proven for decades now but it's a bit of blinkered view to try to compare it directly to other clubs on just the attendance numbers alone. If other clubs had a 49K stadium with our prices then it's a certainty most would get higher crowds than they do now and the difference wouldn't be as large. That's why, for example, someone saying Sheff Wed aren't filling their ground and possibly slagging of their fans is a very blinkered view to have when you factor in just how much their fans have to pay. It's a piss take of their fans in my opinion and I'd bet @Visiting owl and @wednesday1957 will agree.
Click to expand...
I don't think anyone has slagged them though? As for their prices, they are utterly ridiculous frankly and their Board is clueless.
 
vinegar hill said:
It doesn’t take long for some,especially Leeds sympathisers to come on and downplay our support but they try to be subtle doing it.
I don’t know what it is about Leeds and some on here.
Click to expand...
Leeds all time average is the same as Sunderland despite spending 30 less seasons in the top flight, Sunderland won a lot before they were formed. I don’t think you could say Sunderland are as big as Leeds like with all due respect
 
boroboys said:
Leeds all time average is the same as Sunderland despite spending 30 less seasons in the top flight, Sunderland won a lot before they were formed. I don’t think you could say Sunderland are as big as Leeds like with all due respect
Click to expand...

But Leeds weren't founded until the 1920s. We had loads of years in the 1800s and early 1900s when crowds were low that bring out all time average down. If anything Leeds being formed much later than all the other major clubs helps their all time average attendance.
 
Sunderland’s all time average has dropped because we’ve had about 12 relegations since the first relegation in ‘58.
Historically Leeds were never as big as Sunderland, when we both got promoted together in 1964 they were champions we were runners up we averaged 41,000 they averaged 29,000 similar seasons.
They’ve never in their history averaged 40,000 in a season we’ve done it 20 times since WW2.
 
Some very deluded people on this thread.

Sunderland have a small catchment area relatively speaking. Leeds have one of the biggest footballing catchment areas in Europe.

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

The only clubs bigger than Leeds in the UK are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal for sure. With their success you have to say man city and Chelsea. Celtic bigger too.

Leeds are the 7th biggest club in the UK and to suggest otherwise is stupid.
vinegar hill said:
Sunderland’s all time average has dropped because we’ve had about 12 relegations since the first relegation in ‘58.
Historically Leeds were never as big as Sunderland, when we both got promoted together in 1964 they were champions we were runners up we averaged 41,000 they averaged 29,000 similar seasons.
They’ve never in their history averaged 40,000 in a season we’ve done it 20 times since WW2.
Click to expand...

Sunderland sell tickets for about a fiver because the grounds too big. No other cubs sell cheap tickets in all around of the ground like sunderland do.

If other clubs did what Sunderland do then they'd get the same or higher attendances.
 
Last edited:
Peace said:
Some very deluded people on this thread.

Sunderland have a small catchment area relatively speaking. Leeds have one of the biggest footballing catchment areas in Europe.

Ask most neutrals who are bigger, Leeds or Sunderland, most would say Leeds. That cannot be denied. They just would.

The only clubs bigger than Leeds in the UK are Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal for sure. With their success you have to say man city and Chelsea. Celtic bigger too.

Leeds are the 7th biggest club in the UK and to suggest otherwise is stupid.


Sunderland sell tickets for about a fiver because the grounds too big. No other cubs sell cheap tickets in all around of the ground like sunderland do.

If other clubs did what Sunderland do then they'd get the same or higher attendances.
Click to expand...
A load of fuckin nonsense tickets for a fiver another myth.
The Leeds Greater Metropolitan area has a population of 2.75 million a one club city your attendances are shite.
Sunderland has a population of 270,000 with the North Sea on one side and is surrounded by green fields we put you to shame for attendances.
We got more than you got in League 1
You were fuck all in history before the cheating Revie took over.
Sheffield Wednesday are the biggest club in Yorkshire.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top