chriswallace85
Striker
Eh? Why me? I said it'd be too offside.
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New Offside Rule begins testing this weekend
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Eh? Why me? I said it'd be too offside.
AC Mack
Striker
How do you know there will be more goals?
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
The solution is to increase the current advantage from 5cm but also make it more clear to everyone where the advantage is. You can see it if you look close enough in this gif of a 3D semi automated decision.
The offside line is the armpit line chopping through the defender's arm and you see the blue circle emitting from that point. Yet the offside line for the attacker is the 'white wall' which you can clearly see is in a different place, nearer the elbow. This is the 5cm advantage as there are 2 points, one is the defender's wall and the 2nd is 5cm further away for the attacker.
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This advantage actually allowed a toenail offside to be onside as you can see the Leeds player's boot is on the green line (this is 5cm thick in real life) but not past it.
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With the Semi Automated 3D clip showing the offside, they don't rotate fully in the Premier League as it would show attackers ahead of defenders in some situations, like above and there would be ructions as Villa fans in the example above would be saying "But his toe is clearly offside"
This is an example what it would look like if they did. Looking at the knees, the left side of the image only has the yellow shirt defender's line (the blue circle point) but the right side now shows the area with the advantage now keeping the white shirt attacker onside. They could easily increase this 'wall' advantage to ensure that most of the doubt of it being offside is given in favour of the attacker.
Gaius Octavius
Full Back
Will make absolutely no difference.
All they are doing is moving the grey area from 'is there any part of the attacker in front of the last defender' to 'is there any part of the attacker in line with the defender'. It will still come down to replay after replay, game being stopped for VAR and trying to determine if there is a millimetre of daylight between attacker and defender.
All they are doing is moving the grey area from 'is there any part of the attacker in front of the last defender' to 'is there any part of the attacker in line with the defender'. It will still come down to replay after replay, game being stopped for VAR and trying to determine if there is a millimetre of daylight between attacker and defender.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
The solution isn't that simple. If you think about it, just how many times is a linesman flagging for offside only to be corrected by VAR? Yet now how many do you see VAR showing a goal to be offside yet the linesman didn't flag?
Yep, there's loads more times that VAR rule offside and far fewer times VAR correct a linesman to say a goal in onside. There is a reason for this as it's mainly to direct any vitriol for a wrong decision towards VAR than the linesman on the pitch with supporters right there. We've seen just how some knuckle draggers act towards officials so taking the goal being disallowed away from the linesman cuts this down.
The other reason is that a linesman raising a flag within seconds would kill the celebrations and that could also include legitimate goals that can be lifetime memories.
Can you imagine a linesman flagging after Brobbey's goal recently killing the moment for the away fans only for VAR to correct it later on? Did our fans just wait until the kick off to celebrate as they then knew VAR wouldn't rule it out? Fans still go mental after goals even when VAR rules it out later even though some claim it kills the game.
VAR is never going away, nor is offside going to be left to the onfield decision. Give the advantage with even thicker lines as that removes most of the onside/offside doubt. It would mean a player who is onside could have been offside but it isn't obvious so leave it as onside. This means they can leave the rule and the way the game is played alone.
For this comment as how can you be better at positioning in the Sterling example? The defender moves to play Sterling offside but Sterling just stands ahead of defender but leaves a trailing foot to keep him onside. After the ball is played, Sterling is leaving the defender for dust as the defender isn't fast enough to run around him.
What happened to that 5cm rule that briefly existed to help the top 6?
chriswallace85
Striker
I know that, but either way he's not catching him. As I said, too offside. The solution isn't a defender with more pace. It's not letting the attacker get that run on you. Again, difficult to do with this suggested rule.
Or ya get really good at stepping out - very risky.
Lucky1985
Winger
Deep sitting defences usually result in more goals conceded, that’s why so many teams press up
errant
Striker
from the way its described at the top of this post, var will still be arguing over a fanny hair's breadth but on the opposite side now.
The laws have always changed as the games gone on. Keepers picking up back passes. That was shouted down at the time but it really was a pisstake it was allowed looking back
Lucky1985
Winger
The offside rule was invented to prevent goal hanging, not goal scoring.
Better from an attacking aspect. More goals. Doesn’t change the fundamental issue though. That being there will be VAR checks to verify if there is an atom sized gap. Will still be blighted with VAR checks taking long enough to make a coffee, have a smoke and let the dog out for some fresh air. They need to limit the check. If there is no clear reason, that is apparent within 1 minute of review, goal stands.
chriswallace85
Striker
It's counter-intuitive in a way. If you want a chance at defending it, you've gotta keep the attacker onside.
Once a defender's in a foot race with an attacker, 9 times out of 10 it's already over, whether they've got a yard on you or not.
Will make a hell of a difference. High line will be a thing of the past. Totally changes how teams approach games.
DaveH
Striker
It should be based on the body or the majority of the players. All this 'leading knee, trailing heel' stuff is silly. There is no way the officials can see this live.
If an attacker uses the new rule to deliberately hang past the last defender, then it counts as taking the piss out of the rule.
In lower league/casual football, if the attackers body is clearly past the defender when the ball is played, it is offside. If their body is pretty much level with the defender, it is not. It works.
The big problem comes from making it a high precision science.
If an attacker uses the new rule to deliberately hang past the last defender, then it counts as taking the piss out of the rule.
In lower league/casual football, if the attackers body is clearly past the defender when the ball is played, it is offside. If their body is pretty much level with the defender, it is not. It works.
The big problem comes from making it a high precision science.
Lucky1985
Winger
Is this a trick question?
A situation that previously resulted in a goal being disallowed because it was offside, now won’t.
Fewer goals being disallowed means more goals being scored.
I don’t know how else I can explain it, it’s such a simple and obvious concept, that I don’t understand what you don’t understand.
RichD
Striker
I agree, regarding the pass-back to the keeper but that was sorted a long time ago, However the constant changes to the off-side rules are going way OTT.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Conspiracy shite as the 2 links at the bottom of post #24 (link below) puts that crap to bed. The advantage has been there since 2021 and it's actually 10cm with manual lines (red and blue lines)
New Offside Rule begins testing this weekend
It’s about time this was introduced. The whole point in the offside rule it to prevent goal hanging, not goal scoring. Allowing an attacker to advance by 50cm isn’t going to cause goal hanging. But it will result in a lot more goals being allowed I feel. It solves nothing, we will still have...
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Trauntrian
Winger
The same rules would apply, it would just go back to being random luck-of-the-dice if you are given offside or not
