New Offside Rule begins testing this weekend

[GipseT]

Statistically, more goals are conceded by teams who sit deep, that is the reason so many teams choose to play a high line.

I don’t believe more teams will sit deeper for this reason. Ultimately a defender just needs to anticipate the pass and step forward.

They will concede the occasional goal where they miss time it, but that would be fewer goals conceded than they would by camping out in the 18 yard box.

So in my eyes, they either sit deeper and concede more goals. Or they stay up and concede more goals.

That's might just be because good teams can press high... Which would be more difficult with the new roule

 

[woodlebert]

Where statistically has the higher percentage of a goal; a shot from the penalty spot in open play, or a shot 30m from the goal?

If football was this easy all teams would play on the half way line

With all due respect, you're misinterpreting the data here

 

[mackinbristol]

FIFA has chosen the Canadian Premier league to test a new offside law, one that Wegner has been pushing. The season begins this weekend.

It would change the current ruling so that:

"The new rule states that rather than determining the offside line by drawing a line through the last part of a defender’s body, offside will now simply be a question of whether there is any gap between an attacker and a defender when you look across the pitch.

A striker can be sprinting past a defender, be almost entirely past that defender, when the pass is struck in their direction, but if even a portion of the attacker’s heel is overlapping a defender’s foot, the attacker will remain onside."

FIFA will see how the season goes in Canada, what issues it might raise, before deciding if this should be rolled out across the world.

But this doesn't address the VAR issue of offside decisions being made over millimetres. It just changes where they're drawing the lines.

 

[safcrob]

David Mitchell would agree on this but thousands wouldn't.

 

[KCB1998]

Is it me or is this non-sensical?
Surely we will have exactly the same number of instances and exactly the same debates - just looking at the back of a player instead of the front?
I don't get what they are expecting this to change.

 

[Smiler]

I think it’s a great idea. The only issue is, is there a rule on how big the gap is and what parts of the body?

The parts that can play the ball and it's simply daylight. They aren't going to be measuring a cm or two gap from the last defender to the attackers heel as they would then need even more lines and measurements (at least I would hope not as it'll make bugger all sense).

Is it me or is this non-sensical?
Surely we will have exactly the same number of instances and exactly the same debates - just looking at the back of a player instead of the front?
I don't get what they are expecting this to change.

People think it'll mean they aren't as annoyed a striker's knob is a gnats ballsack offside and instead their arse will be instead

 

[Lucky1985]

If football was this easy all teams would play on the half way line

With all due respect, you're misinterpreting the data here

With all due respect, I’m not. And you’re not making a case for your argument.

If a team play a high line, and a defender slips, the opponent is in a low scoring position. The opponent can either choose to shoot from there, or he has to travel with the ball to a higher scoring position, during which time another defender could catch up and put him off his shot, or disposes him of the ball entirely.

If a team play a low line, and a defender slips, the opponent is already in a high scoring position.

The likelihood of the goal is much higher in the latter scenario.

There are many other aspects to it, but they all ultimately suggest that a lower defensive line will result in more conceded goals.

 

[Martinez73]

What happened to that 5cm rule that briefly existed to help the top 6?

Give your head a wobble man woman. You sound like a paranoid mag going on about the top 6. Like a 5cm rule was introduced to help them

 

[King for a Day...]

A load of shite.

Going to make defences sit deeper, negative set up and we will still be arguing over 1mm.

f***ing Wenger man

100%

 

[woodlebert]

If a team play a high line, and a defender slips, the opponent is in a low scoring position. The opponent can either choose to shoot from there, or he has to travel with the ball to a higher scoring position, during which time another defender could catch up and put him off his shot, or disposes him of the ball entirely.

If a team play a low line, and a defender slips, the opponent is already in a high scoring position.

Does the defence or attack have the ball in these scenarios?

 

[molthemackem]

Can't see it doing anything but cause more confusion as to an offside decision.

 

[Lucky1985]

Does the defence or attack have the ball in these scenarios?

You choose

 

[Black_Cats1879]

Give your head a wobble man woman. You sound like a paranoid mag going on about the top 6. Like a 5cm rule was introduced to help them

Who you talking to like

 

[AC Mack]

I really have nothing further to say to you then. If you can’t see how disallowing fewer goals, will result in more goals, then I don’t know how else to explain it.

If you had three chocolate bars, and I take two away, then you’re left with one.

If we reduce the amount I take away to one, then you are left with two. By reducing the amount of chocolate bars being taken off you (goals disallowed) you are increasing the amount of chocolate bars you have (goals being scored).

Was that any better?

SHort of sitting in-front of you with some coloured blocks like I do with my 2 year old son, I really can’t think of how else I can explain it.

absolute whopper

 

[woodlebert]

You choose

It’s your scenario

 

[PoolsMackem123]

The way I'm reading that, you're assuming the defender wants to play him onside.

The attacker can always sit deeper than the defender. What position can the defender take up to prevent this, other than camping on his own 18 yard line?

The solution is to increase the current advantage from 5cm but also make it more clear to everyone where the advantage is. You can see it if you look close enough in this gif of a 3D semi automated decision.

The offside line is the armpit line chopping through the defender's arm and you see the blue circle emitting from that point. Yet the offside line for the attacker is the 'white wall' which you can clearly see is in a different place, nearer the elbow. This is the 5cm advantage as there are 2 points, one is the defender's wall and the 2nd is 5cm further away for the attacker.

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This advantage actually allowed a toenail offside to be onside as you can see the Leeds player's boot is on the green line (this is 5cm thick in real life) but not past it.

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With the Semi Automated 3D clip showing the offside, they don't rotate fully in the Premier League as it would show attackers ahead of defenders in some situations, like above and there would be ructions as Villa fans in the example above would be saying "But his toe is clearly offside"

This is an example what it would look like if they did. Looking at the knees, the left side of the image only has the yellow shirt defender's line (the blue circle point) but the right side now shows the area with the advantage now keeping the white shirt attacker onside. They could easily increase this 'wall' advantage to ensure that most of the doubt of it being offside is given in favour of the attacker.

Except, they don’t apply the 5cm tolerance in an umpires call fashion - they give unilateral benefit to the attacker with it. So it’s notably different to the umpires call solution. Should be going with onfield decisions where possible.

And 5cm is absolutely nowhere near covering the inherent error in the offside system.

 

[Safc98]

There’s fuck all wrong with the offside law as it is. It’s people’s demand for perfection that gave us lines being drawn on people’s arm pits and the childlike tendency to blame the rules because what they wanted to happen didn’t happen due to fine margins.

 

[PoolsMackem123]

The solution isn't that simple. If you think about it, just how many times is a linesman flagging for offside only to be corrected by VAR? Yet now how many do you see VAR showing a goal to be offside yet the linesman didn't flag?

Yep, there's loads more times that VAR rule offside and far fewer times VAR correct a linesman to say a goal in onside. There is a reason for this as it's mainly to direct any vitriol for a wrong decision towards VAR than the linesman on the pitch with supporters right there. We've seen just how some knuckle draggers act towards officials so taking the goal being disallowed away from the linesman cuts this down.

The other reason is that a linesman raising a flag within seconds would kill the celebrations and that could also include legitimate goals that can be lifetime memories.

Can you imagine a linesman flagging after Brobbey's goal recently killing the moment for the away fans only for VAR to correct it later on? Did our fans just wait until the kick off to celebrate as they then knew VAR wouldn't rule it out? Fans still go mental after goals even when VAR rules it out later even though some claim it kills the game.

VAR is never going away, nor is offside going to be left to the onfield decision. Give the advantage with even thicker lines as that removes most of the onside/offside doubt. It would mean a player who is onside could have been offside but it isn't obvious so leave it as onside. This means they can leave the rule and the way the game is played alone.


For this comment as how can you be better at positioning in the Sterling example? The defender moves to play Sterling offside but Sterling just stands ahead of defender but leaves a trailing foot to keep him onside. After the ball is played, Sterling is leaving the defender for dust as the defender isn't fast enough to run around him.

What a nonsensical comment. Considering VAR only intervenes if the linesman makes an error, then yes the linesman is statistically likely to make more errors than VAR, since they’re involved in every single offside decision and VAR only a subset of those.

There’s fuck all wrong with the offside law as it is. It’s people’s demand for perfection that gave us lines being drawn on people’s arm pits and the childlike tendency to blame the rules because what they wanted to happen didn’t happen due to fine margins.

Exactly this. The new version they’re trialling fundamentally changes the game

 

[Gennaro Savastano]

FIFA has chosen the Canadian Premier league to test a new offside law, one that Wegner has been pushing. The season begins this weekend.

It would change the current ruling so that:

"The new rule states that rather than determining the offside line by drawing a line through the last part of a defender’s body, offside will now simply be a question of whether there is any gap between an attacker and a defender when you look across the pitch.

A striker can be sprinting past a defender, be almost entirely past that defender, when the pass is struck in their direction, but if even a portion of the attacker’s heel is overlapping a defender’s foot, the attacker will remain onside."

FIFA will see how the season goes in Canada, what issues it might raise, before deciding if this should be rolled out across the world.

I like this in theory. Should mean more goals and more exciting matches. Let's see how it works in reality.

 

[nestegg]

You just got me thinking, when was the last time scored from outside the penalty area in open play, similar to Daryl Murphy or Carlos Edwards ?

Talbi Burnley I think