New Offside Rule begins testing this weekend

[FoldingStars]

It’s about time this was introduced.

The whole point in the offside rule it to prevent goal hanging, not goal scoring.

Allowing an attacker to advance by 50cm isn’t going to cause goal hanging. But it will result in a lot more goals being allowed I feel.

It solves nothing, we will still have the exact same argument of he was only 1cm offside, ffs the lines are too thick, its taking too long.

Its not like people are saying the game is boring now and we have too many 0-0 due to offsides, the game gets boring because teams are making 560 passes sideways and waiting for the other team to make a mistake, this wont solve anything.

 

[Lucky1985]

It solves nothing, we will still have the exact same argument of he was only 1cm offside, ffs the lines are too thick, its taking too long.

Its not like people are saying the game is boring now and we have too many 0-0 due to offsides, the game gets boring because teams are making 560 passes sideways and waiting for the other team to make a mistake, this wont solve anything.

I didn’t say it solves a problem, I said it would result in more goals being allowed, which imho makes the game more interesting.

 

[Smiler]

Implementation is key.

Imo, the main factor should be that a clear mistake is visible in real speed replays. 30 seconds max. No drawing lines or debating for 5 minutes with multiple freeze frames. Otherwise, on field decision stands. There's no advantage in fractions of a body.

You could implement that under either set of rules.

You don't need to change where someone is to be deemed offside to implement any of that

It’s about time this was introduced.

The whole point in the offside rule it to prevent goal hanging, not goal scoring.

Allowing an attacker to advance by 50cm isn’t going to cause goal hanging. But it will result in a lot more goals being allowed I feel.

It'll also result in defenders sitting a little bit deeper as they do t want to get caught out

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

A striker can be sprinting past a defender, be almost entirely past that defender, when the pass is struck in their direction, but if even a portion of the attacker’s heel is overlapping a defender’s foot, the attacker will remain onside."

This is a tweet I hoyed up that's from 2021 just showing how much it can change the game.

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Another image I've hoyed up years ago, with the right example showing it's not just daylight but near a yard potentially if players feet overlap while running.

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All it done is move the offside line, it won't help things with VAR.

It's a stupid rule and once people see just how much the line has moved there will be complaints saying "How can you defend that offside line?"

I think this trial is being done to appease those who moan about "toenail" offsides. The art of holding a defensive line will be knackered, defenders will probably just sit deeper or something else as the current ways of football will change if this ever becomes a rule but it will probably show how daft a rule it would be.

For anyone who doesn't think there is an advantage now, take some time to read these posts and maybe you will understand it's actually there if you know where to look. It's just because it's on a TV screen that you can barely see it but up close it's obvious. It's why any offsides now to me are just "meh, some you get, some you don't" as at least it's consistent within a small margin of error, unlike before when it could be incorrect by feet, yards with the lineman's view.

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[Roadhouse]

So you don't really have to time your run very well as an attacker and defenders holding a defensive line may not achieve anything under these rules. Stupid rule.

 

[Smiler]

It shouldn't take any longer than it does in making the lines now.


We are arguing over 1mm now. The difference is that under the new rules, the striker will already have an advantage.

So if he's offside by a toe, it won't be as bad as disallowing a goal under the same circumstances and current rules.

Why won't it be 'as bad'? It's the exact same issue just in a slightly different spot

Try a season of no offside be goals galore & numerous alerts for @herra soul mob @Scotty 1978

It'll be a season of stick a 7 foot striker on the edge of the opposition box and launch it up to them as quick as you can

 

[craigypants]

You just got me thinking, when was the last time scored from outside the penalty area in open play, similar to Daryl Murphy or Carlos Edwards ?

Gonna guess Talbi...he's the only one who shoots it seems. Funnily enough I'm waiting for an Alderete thunderbastard as he liked to shoot before he came to us. Maybe Spurs game.

 

[Smiler]

You just got me thinking, when was the last time scored from outside the penalty area in open play, similar to Daryl Murphy or Carlos Edwards ?

Talbi against Burnley

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

Why won't it be 'as bad'? It's the exact same issue just in a slightly different spot

It's not exactly the same issue at all, it will completely change the way the game will be played. See post #24 above just to see how much of an advantage this now creates.

It also allows an attacker to easily stand behind and block a defender's path back to goal but stay onside with a trailing foot. Or the defence hold the line and an attacker standing nowhere near a defender can leave a trailing foot keeping him onside, like that Sterling example.

 

[chriswallace85]

That sounds like too offside to me.

 

[LeicesterMackem]

Getting rid of VAR would solve all of these problems.

 

[chriswallace85]

Such a change could fundamentally change the game in a couple of ways..... a need for defenders to be the fastest on the pitch (which would likely reduce the size/strength seen in CBs today) and teams playing waaaaaaay deeper, creating a lot more space encouraging a full pitch passing and pressing game.
I doubt you will see the full effects over a trial period in a relatively low level league.

I don't see how. They just need to be better at positioning.

 

[Smiler]

It's not exactly the same issue at all, it will completely change the way the game will be played. See post #24 above just to see how much of an advantage this now creates.

It also allows an attacker to easily stand behind and block a defender's path back to goal.

It is the same issue as far as the decision is concerned, the line is just being drawn at a different spot. Yes, it'll change how teams defend but the exact complaints about the lines and the margins etc will be exactly the same

Getting rid of VAR would solve all of these problems.

Not really, people were always incredibly pissed off at wrong decisions. They are now just pissed off the decisions take too long or aren't obvious enough.
I think fans just like being annoyed at the laws no matter what

 

[FoldingStars]

I didn’t say it solves a problem, I said it would result in more goals being allowed, which imho makes the game more interesting.

Then why not just have no offsides, play with 2 balls, no keepers? It doesn't solve the biggest complaints (I know you didnt say it did) they were only a tiny bit offside and the time taken so it adds nothing in my opinion, just a pointless rule change to make it look like they are doing things.

 

[PoolsMackem123]

It never amazes me how moronic the footballing authorities continue to prove that they are. Completely misses the issue this point - will just move the point of contention to the side and fundamentally change how defenders need to defend, fundamentally impacting the core principles of the game.

The solution is a very simple umpires call type solution, giving the on-field linesman the benefit of the doubt and incorporating a large margin for error to account for the significant error in the offside system at present. Currently we are overturning decisions without conclusive evidence.

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

It is the same issue as far as the decision is concerned, the line is just being drawn at a different spot. Yes, it'll change how teams defend but the exact complaints about the lines and the margins etc will be exactly the same

Apologies as misread your post as thought you were saying it wouldn't be as bad but you were asking the other poster that question.

I think @brains and @chriswallace85 are the ones who should look at post #24

 

[PoolsMackem123]

I don't see how. They just need to be better at positioning.

It's not about positioning though. The defender already has the disadvantage of having to face away from goal, and now he has to concede 1.5-2 yards of distance to an attacker. It's literally undefendable if you have to concede space in behind, unless you drop your defensive line so deep there is no space to play in behind

 

[ChrisAshley]

Will be a disaster.

 

[chriswallace85]

It's not about positioning though. The defender already has the disadvantage of having to face away from goal, and now he has to concede 1.5-2 yards of distance to an attacker. It's literally undefendable if you have to concede space in behind, unless you drop your defensive line so deep there is no space to play in behind

The way I'm reading that, you're assuming the defender wants to play him onside.

 

[Cheddar Bob]

Growing up I was always told that the attacking player would get the benefit of doubt. I don't know why they can't just keep it as it is, and if it takes any longer than say 60 seconds just give the attacker the benefit rather than fanny on with drawing little lines to the smallest margin.