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VAR has ruined top level football.

redandwhiterob said:
How about from that angle it doesn't look a foul but from another it's the most blatant foul ever?
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Then play on. Obviously wasn't that clear of a error if you can't tell straight away with one view of a replay.

People need to stop treating the game like science with a defined set of rules that can't be bent. Football is, or was, art
 

Just look at the pen given against Man Utd today. Many have said its harsh. VAR couldve asked the ref to have another look but obviously deemed it wasn't an obvious error as you could see enough reason why he gave it (even though it was a bit of a harsh one). So it is leaving it to the ref. And even when refs are asked to look again, the decision is still with the ref.
 
Doberman said:
Ball goes through to forward who's 3 yards offside, ref/assistant believe the defender has played it through so flag stays down, VAR shows it's actually come off the forward and should have been offside. Fair enough. Doesn't require a nerd with a computer pressing pause.

It's an absolute impossibility to get the exact frame on ball leaving foot to prove receiving forward is offside by 1mm so they're guessing.
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It's the frame when the ball is first touched so earlier than when the ball leaves the foot which means more advantage to an attacker running through. It's clear by the posts today that some still don't know about the thicker lines giving an advantage to the attacker by a few inches. That means being offside by 1mm isn't quite the same as what some like to make out. I tried to show this by asking that people look at just how thick the lines are near the linesman in the VAR image.

All this lines stuff is going anyway as next season the ball has a sensor that detects a touch 500 times a second. The computer also tracks 27 points on all players so they know where they are at any point.

Edinburgh Black Cat said:
Those images are all taken at different times mind.

How do we know which one is the 'right' one?
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The 1st one with the blue/red line that VAR used at the point of contact with the ball. The 2nd is simply the next frame that the TV used but the players feet were in the same position. The offside gap is still there even though Wan Bissaka upper body has moved closer to the goal.
 
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Mackem00 said:
Yup. The decision hinges on whoever is in charge of the pause button and the drawing of silly lines. Each human will do it at different times depending on what they think happened and when. Another day and a different VAR official and that might not have been given offside. What a shitshow.
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But another linesman might have given offside in live play. Where as this one didn’t. That’s football.
 
After watching today’s game between Coventry and Man U I can’t but wonder what exactly is the point of var and its actual use. Yes I get goal line technology where you can see a ball clearly over or not over the line for goal decisions, and when there are pena;ty claims be it handball in which is it a case of ball to hand or hand to ball. Did a player dive or was he fouled,,,was it in or outside of the penalty box etc etc etc,,,but where offside is concerned its a case of a certain part of your body being offside or not and that could literally be a toe as in the case today. I genuinely believe after seeing the decision given by var that it needs looking into. Yes there is a case for offside just being offside, but when the margins at inches or in this case probably a centimetre at best, you have to ask the question of who gains the advantage. That ball clipped over the top was always going to have the Coventry player getting on the end of it, so I would say in such cases where the margin is so small then why don’t they place the attacker in the same position on the line as the defender and ask if an advantage would favour the attacker and of it does then he is onside. It wouldn’t take long to make that call I don’t think.
 
Flea Market Trader said:
After watching today’s game between Coventry and Man U I can’t but wonder what exactly is the point of var and its actual use. Yes I get goal line technology where you can see a ball clearly over or not over the line for goal decisions, and when there are pena;ty claims be it handball in which is it a case of ball to hand or hand to ball. Did a player dive or was he fouled,,,was it in or outside of the penalty box etc etc etc,,,but where offside is concerned its a case of a certain part of your body being offside or not and that could literally be a toe as in the case today. I genuinely believe after seeing the decision given by var that it needs looking into. Yes there is a case for offside just being offside, but when the margins at inches or in this case probably a centimetre at best, you have to ask the question of who gains the advantage. That ball clipped over the top was always going to have the Coventry player getting on the end of it, so I would say in such cases where the margin is so small then why don’t they place the attacker in the same position on the line as the defender and ask if an advantage would favour the attacker and of it does then he is onside. It wouldn’t take long to make that call I don’t think.
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Your post hurts the eyes and it's been done to death. But apart from that.,.,....
 
tunstallhill said:
Then play on. Obviously wasn't that clear of a error if you can't tell straight away with one view of a replay.

People need to stop treating the game like science with a defined set of rules that can't be bent. Football is, or was, art
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It could be the clearest error ever from a certain angle but hey ho we'll just let that slide eh. Yep that will work FFS :lol:
 
dangermows said:
There was no obvious error here because no officials made a decision. The linesman did what most do now when things are close, which is not make a decision, let play go and let VAR look afterwards.
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If someone is clearly offside and officials don't spot it then it is an obvious error. I agree linesmen (assistant referees?) have abrogated responsibility, especially below Premiership.
 
Its been like this for years now. Why are people getting all arsey about it now. Being just offside is the same as been miles offside. Both are offside
 
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dangermows said:
Why does everyone always want rules that favour attackers? Day light between, second phase.... now its if he's just a bit offside still say he's onside.

It’s absolutely offside. People are just being daft and dont like that a goal has been chalked off for a marginal offside.
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They only want it when it suits. If Portsmouth got a goal against us that was this much offside they’d be losing their minds
 
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