VAR has ruined top level football.

[dangermows]

Has the ref made an obvious error? If you need to use video playback and draw lines across the pitch to judge then it's not an obvious error.

There was no obvious error here because no officials made a decision. The linesman did what most do now when things are close, which is not make a decision, let play go and let VAR look afterwards.

 

[Doberman]

Can you not see the problem there? The term 'obvious' is meaningless. What does it actually mean? If someone's offside they are offside, it's as simple as that. You can't say well he's offside but only be a bit so we'll let it go

No. I can't see the issue here tbh.

Ball goes through to forward who's 3 yards offside, ref/assistant believe the defender has played it through so flag stays down, VAR shows it's actually come off the forward and should have been offside. Fair enough. Doesn't require a nerd with a computer pressing pause.

It's an absolute impossibility to get the exact frame on ball leaving foot to prove receiving forward is offside by 1mm so they're guessing. If you're guessing because it's impossible to be factual then stay with the on-field decision.

It's not rocket science.

There was no obvious error here because no officials made a decision.

eh?

They decided he was onside.

 

[redandwhiterob]

Should be if you can tell within 5 seconds of one replay at full speed. If you can't tell after that , then the on field refs decision stands

Only way to filter clear and obvious errors from marginal ones

You expect someone in the var room whose already under intense pressure to only get five seconds to look at a very important decision? Haway marra, that ludicrous

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

It's not code for nowt really. Would you like to scrap the monitor and just have the var official make the decision?

I'd scrap the Clear and Obvious and have the main ref in the video room. Should be far more consistency and he can have his assistant ref on the pitch giving him an on-field opinion (if need be) but the video is usually enough. There will still be debatable and subjective decisions but there won't be ones where most of football thinks and knows that VAR got it wrong by not calling the ref ower to review.

 

[Safc98]

There’s literally no solution as long as fans, players, coaches, chairmen, fans and pundits carry on the way they carry on now.

 

[Edinburgh Black Cat]

Thor'd below from match thread

It looks closer with the lines because the 2 lines are made thicker than a thin line to give the attacker a slight benefit of doubt plus it's being viewed on a TV screen making it closer again. It only looks close only because it's a gap of a few pixels but the gap will be between the 2 lines. If you were stood there on the pitch looking across it would be a clear offside, it's just the fact the Coventry player is further away and it tricks the eye. I explained all this crap ages ago and it's why I don't get bothered about offsides as it's pointless yet some still say it's level or a toenail when it's not really.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threa...orts-ultra-hdr-⚽️.1616367/page-7#post-3915857

Look down where the linesman is and you can see how thick the 2 lines are in relation to the linesman as they're clearly a few inches each in reality as together they're the width of this calf. The blue line starts at Bassaka's toe going towards the goal adding inches 'advantage' on and the red line comes back away from the goal partially covering the Coventry player's boot. Even with the thicker lines, the 2 won't have overlapped even if they look close due to the shitty image as the computer VAR use knows this.

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Draw a simple thin line halfway between the grass lines without the advantage of the thicker lines and it gives you a different viewing perspective. The red and blue VAR lines would be between Bassaka's toenail and left of the thin blue line below. I've added a bit of the VAR lines below to show it. The thick blue line is Bassaka's line and adds a little more forward towards Hadji. The thick red line is Haji's and comes back slightly towards Bassaka due to the thickness. If the 2 line edges manage to overlap by just 1 pixel then it's given onside as that is the advantage of the thicker lines. It just looks closer due to the shitty quality (this is done on purpose) small image they hoy up.



Someone has done similar to what I did above. It was offside by a few inches which is shite but it was the correct decision.

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Those images are all taken at different times mind.

How do we know which one is the 'right' one?

 

[Mackem00]

VAR is absolutely shite. It's only here because players/managers/pundits/supporters/journalists couldn't handle being on the end of a refereeing mistake. Everybody who called for this to be introduced is to blame. Suck it up.

 

[Doberman]

You expect someone in the var room whose already under intense pressure to only get five seconds to look at a very important decision? Haway marra, that ludicrous

you obviously want football turned into a computer game and that's fine but most of us could not give a fuck if Wright's toenail is offside.

@tunstallhill is bang on.

 

[Safc98]

VAR is absolutely shite. It's only here because players/managers/pundits/supporters/journalists couldn't handle being on the end of a refereeing mistake. Everybody who called for this to be introduced is to blame. Suck it up.

My sentiments exactly

you obviously want football turned into a computer game and that's fine but most of us could not give a fuck if Wright's toenail is offside.

@tunstallhill is bang on.

Apart from if it was against Sunderland, you would.

 

[redandwhiterob]

No. I can't see the issue here tbh.

Ball goes through to forward who's 3 yards offside, ref/assistant believe the defender has played it through so flag stays down, VAR shows it's actually come off the forward and should have been offside. Fair enough. Doesn't require a nerd with a computer pressing pause.

It's an absolute impossibility to get the exact frame on ball leaving foot to prove receiving forward is offside by 1mm so they're guessing. If you're guessing because it's impossible to be factual then stay with the on-field decision.

It's not rocket science.


eh?

They decided he was onside.

It's an absolute ludicrous thing to suggest. Offside but only by 5cm so we'll let it go

Later in game, offside but by 15cm so we'll give offside now

Even later in game, offside but only by 8cm so we'll let that one go just like the first

Oh aye that will work FFS

 

[Flea Market Trader]

Arms don't count. If you zoom in on the picture the lines aren't in the right place. He was onside.

I’ve checked and this is correct, arms don’t count. My contention though is when you have rules it has to be for the purpose of an advantage and I can’t see any advantage there at all. Common sense to me says use var differently. Ask questions such as take the attacking player back into an onside position and ask would he still get the ball etc. I know lots of fans are cheerful because it’s Coventry, but I just think today was a day when the greatest every semi final comeback was taken away by a players toe being slightly forward to the defenders giving no advantage whatsoever to the attacking player.

 

[tunstallhill]

You expect someone in the var room whose already under intense pressure to only get five seconds to look at a very important decision? Haway marra, that ludicrous

Why not? Three of them in separate rooms with a big red button . They each get one replay at full speed simultaneously and unless all three hit the red button to indicate 'clear and obvious error' within 5 seconds, then the refs decision stands.

If it's clear and obvious then all three will call it straight away. If not , then play on

Would solve 90% of the VAR problem straight away

 

[dangermows]

People are getting confused again.

Fouls are different to offsides.

If a ref makes a decision and VAR thinks he has got it wrong the ref will be asked to have another look.

With offsides there is no judgement or asking an official to have another look. It will simply look at it, and show if it's on or off.

 

[tunstallhill]

My sentiments exactly

Apart from if it was against Sunderland, you would.

I honestly couldn't give a fuck. It's part of football. Scrap VAR and I'll take my chances with professional refs calling it as they see it. If they get something wrong, so be it

 

[redandwhiterob]

Why not? Three of them in separate rooms with a big red button . They each get one replay at full speed simultaneously and unless all three hit the red button to indicate 'clear and obvious error' within 5 seconds, then the refs decision stands.

If it's clear and obvious then all three will call it straight away. If not , then play on

Would solve 90% of the VAR problem straight away

How about from that angle it doesn't look a foul but from another it's the most blatant foul ever?

 

[Safc98]

It's an absolute ludicrous thing to suggest. Offside but only by 5cm so we'll let it go

Later in game, offside but by 15cm so we'll give offside now

Even later in game, offside but only by 8cm so we'll let that one go just like the first

Oh aye that will work FFS

It’s not tbf. Rugby doesn’t get the lines out when adjudicating on offside. “Clear and Obvious offside” But Rugby has more respect for officials and by and large just gets on with it, with an acceptance the attacking side will get the benefit of the doubt. Football wants perfection.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

It's not code for nowt really. Would you like to scrap the monitor and just have the var official make the decision?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an official sent to the monitor and then not overturn their decision.

 

[Mackem00]

Those images are all taken at different times mind.

How do we know which one is the 'right' one?

Yup. The decision hinges on whoever is in charge of the pause button and the drawing of silly lines. Each human will do it at different times depending on what they think happened and when. Another day and a different VAR official and that might not have been given offside. What a shitshow.

 

[Safc98]

I honestly couldn't give a fuck. It's part of football. Scrap VAR and I'll take my chances with professional refs calling it as they see it. If they get something wrong, so be it

I agree but have a think about why it’s got to this stage. If we could all agree to do this, I agree.

 

[palm 1]

It's an absolute ludicrous thing to suggest. Offside but only by 5cm so we'll let it go

Later in game, offside but by 15cm so we'll give offside now

Even later in game, offside but only by 8cm so we'll let that one go just like the first

Oh aye that will work FFS

People are crackers