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The ref (see PGMOL thread)

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Georgewhitt said:
Mate, I agree the ref was shite.

But I asked the question "If Neil had kept his gob shut, would he have been booked?"

The answer to that has to be no.

Whatever other things the ref did or didn't give, if DN says nowt, he doesn't get booked.

Shirley you can accept that.
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Yes I agree on that but surely the ref should have used common sense.
But do you admit that in a high stakes game in front of 40,000+ people that Neil was full of adrenaline and in those circumstances the ref should say to himself, had on here I can't over react
 
I hope hes got piles and pops a couple next time he has a shite.
sofatester said:
Yes I agree on that but surely the ref should have used common sense.
But do you admit that in a high stakes game in front of 40,000+ people that Neil was full of adrenaline and in those circumstances the ref should say to himself, had on here I can't over react
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When he specifically made a point in the pre game meeting with Mowbray and Carrick saying he appreciated he needed to ref empathetically given the circumstances.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Agree, it's f***ing annoying. Inconsistency is f***ing annoying.
But that doesn't alter the fact that if DN had kept his gob shut, it would have been 11 v 11 at the start of the second half marra.
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If DN kept his gob shut, it should have been 11 v 10 in our favour.

Why he didn’t send off their player for assaulting Ballard at the end of the half, I’ve no idea.
 
redandwhiterob said:
f***ing hell you literally defend out man :lol: He can't just call the ref what he likes as long as he's not be over aggressive whilst doing it. The video suggests the ref was waving him away and Neil has overstepped the mark hence the card
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You say that but your default position is always to defend refs.
Even to the point that when most people are stating that on the surface it appears to be a harsh decision you are looking for reasons to justify it such as more might have been said or the player could have lied. You are looking for excuses to justify the decision.
Do you think it is just possible that on this occasion the ref may have overeacted.

I am not saying that is wrong. The refs do a very difficult job but as you yourself have acknowledged they can make errors .
 
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sofatester said:
Yes I agree on that but surely the ref should have used common sense.
But do you admit that in a high stakes game in front of 40,000+ people that Neil was full of adrenaline and in those circumstances the ref should say to himself, had on here I can't over react
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So people are complaining that the ref didn't get some decisions right, which I agree with, but on an occasion that he applied the rule properly, he is still wrong?
The amount of people watching, and DNs adrenaline has got nothing to do with it mate.
40, 000+ were watching another 21 adrenaline filled players as well, but DN was the one who gave the ref the excuse to show a yellow.
The ref was crap, and you are understandably put out by his decision, so am I, but the fact remains DN gobbed off and got booked. He has to accept some of the responsibility for that.

Or are we just saying that players can say what they like to the ref, and he can do fuck all about it?
 
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Georgewhitt said:
So people are complaining that the ref didn't get some decisions right, which I agree with, but on an occasion that he applied the rule properly, he is still wrong?
The amount of people watching, and DNs adrenaline has got nothing to do with it mate.
40, 000+ were watching another 21 adrenaline filled players as well, but DN was the one who gave the ref the excuse to show a yellow.
The ref was crap, and you are understandably put out by his decision, so am I, but the fact remains DN gobbed off and got booked. He has to accept some of the responsibility for that.
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I will repeat if you have done the same thing in your job for years with no consequences and seen others do it why on one particular occasion would you expect that to change.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Aye consistent, will always say the situation yesterday a player should get yellow card for dissent for doing what he did whatever the team.

Where others imo and you included would say it was a yellow card if a Newcastle or Middlesbrough player done exactly the same.

And criticism would go to that player.

It’s amazing how many people on here change their opinions of incidents depending whether or not they favour Sunderland
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But it would end up 5 v 5 if swearing was a yellow. I suppose that’s what many are arguing about. He booked Neil but no one else.

We either assume no-one else swore (if you’ve been anywhere near a football pitch you’ll know that’s cobblers), or he chose not to book anyone else….
 
wicketkeeper said:
I will repeat if you have done the same thing in your job for years with no consequences and seen others do it why on one particular occasion would you expect that to change.
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You wouldn't expect it to, and you would feel hard done by being picked out for it, but if you were breaking the rules, you haven't got a leg to stand on marra. Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right.

If you got nicked for speeding on a road that everyone speeds on, you can't go to court and say let me off because everybody else does it.

It feels wrong, I know, and we are all raw about it, but he got caught mate.
 
Georgewhitt said:
So people are complaining that the ref didn't get some decisions right, which I agree with, but on an occasion that he applied the rule properly, he is still wrong?
The amount of people watching, and DNs adrenaline has got nothing to do with it mate.
40, 000+ were watching another 21 adrenaline filled players as well, but DN was the one who gave the ref the excuse to show a yellow.
The ref was crap, and you are understandably put out by his decision, so am I, but the fact remains DN gobbed off and got booked. He has to accept some of the responsibility for that.

Or are we just saying that players can say what they like to the ref, and he can do fuck all about it?
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If you believe DN was the only one to challenge a decision then so be it - that all stands true.

DN wouldn’t have been the only one to swear and/or challenge a decision pretty obviously. When does the ref explain why he booked Neil but no-one else for the Same offence…. Nope he never will have to
 
Faust17 said:
If you believe DN was the only one to challenge a decision then so be it - that all stands true.

DN wouldn’t have been the only one to swear and/or challenge a decision pretty obviously. When does the ref explain why he booked Neil but no-one else for the Same offence…. Nope he never will have to
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I agree with that mate. I have said several times. The ref was shite, and inconsistent, and should be hauled over the coals for it.

But he applied the rules rightly with DN for the dissent. It feels unfair because it is unfair, but DN showed dissent, and got booked.
 
safccfas said:
Is there a clip of the Ballard elbow on here anywhere? Looked a stone wall red from my seat.
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Ballard was obviously incensed - I think the Sunderland bench should have made a hell of a lot more. Disgraceful decision - a elbow is a straight red not a yellow.

So out of his depth it’s unbelievable. Should be sacked for incompetence or being a cheat.
Georgewhitt said:
I agree with that mate. I have said several times. The ref was shite, and inconsistent, and should be hauled over the coals for it.

But he applied the rules rightly with DN for the dissent. It feels unfair because it is unfair, but DN showed dissent, and got booked.
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I f he applied the same rules to the 21 other players mate the game would have been abandoned well before we got to half time.
 
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Georgewhitt said:
I agree with that mate. I have said several times. The ref was shite, and inconsistent, and should be hauled over the coals for it.

But he applied the rules rightly with DN for the dissent. It feels unfair because it is unfair, but DN showed dissent, and got booked.
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So he applied the rules incorrectly for everyone else. Surely that’s much worse than making one mistake in sending Neil off! he must have made scores!

I think we agree then.

No getting away from the fact that we didn’t stand a chance with him applying the rules once but only once.
 
It wasn't just the sending off but the number of inconsistent decisions made by the referee throughout, compounded by his inability to penalise Middlesbrough for any infringement.

Tommy Smith not being booked after a pull back on Jack Clarke followed by the high boot on Jensen Seelt moments later were examples of his ineptitude. No yellow card for Sam Greenwood for raking his studs down a shin bone. Josh Coburn's head butt in the melee before halftime was missed while yellow cards were given out like confetti for non-fouls and he had no control of the game whatsoever.

There can be no doubt that the officials had a bad day at the office.
 
SAFC Wilks said:
If DN kept his gob shut, it should have been 11 v 10 in our favour.

Why he didn’t send off their player for assaulting Ballard at the end of the half, I’ve no idea.
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I think he was too busy looking at his watch for the time and blowing for half time it seems
 
Faust17 said:
But it would end up 5 v 5 if swearing was a yellow. I suppose that’s what many are arguing about. He booked Neil but no one else.

We either assume no-one else swore (if you’ve been anywhere near a football pitch you’ll know that’s cobblers), or he chose not to book anyone else….
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Yeah I have said mate I thought in the context of everything it was a harsh yellow card
 
Faust17 said:
So he applied the rules incorrectly for everyone else. Surely that’s much worse than making one mistake in sending Neil off! he must have made scores!

I think we agree then.

No getting away from the fact that we didn’t stand a chance with him applying the rules once but only once.
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No we don't agree.
He didn't make a mistake in giving DN a second yellow. It is one of the few things he got right.

He was absolutely shite, but that decision was correct. That's what makes it f***ing worse for all of us. He got nearly everything else wrong.

Greenwood should have been gone before he scored.
Luke was lucky not to give a pen away for the push in the back.
And on, and on, on for, for both sides. He was shit.There was so much he got wrong.

But the decision that ruined the game, he got right.
 
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