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The ref (see PGMOL thread)

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Sporty said:
I don't think there needs to be contact for it to be a red. I think it's the action of doing something that endangers the safety of an opponent that is the offence.

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Watching it again he's even off the deck also as he lunges in and keeps his right foot up showing his studs with a straight leg nowhere near the ball, which we all know he shouldn't be doing so why would he do it? As I said, I don't think players even need to make contact but if Neil did make contact then all his weight would be going through his raised foot so you can imagine what would happen if he caught a standing leg.

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A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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First booking was no doubt a red , if it had been against us we would be adding it to the list of the refs fuck ups .
That being said two wrongs dont make a right and the ultimate sending off was petty and constructive from an absolute apology of a human being who can have no excuse for continued existence in his role.
 

It looks like he’d had second thoughts, after giving the first yellow instead of a straight red, and took the opportunity to make amends with the soft second yellow. Poor refereeing on both counts.
 
JC70 said:
It looks like he’d had second thoughts, after giving the first yellow instead of a straight red, and took the opportunity to make amends with the soft second yellow. Poor refereeing on both counts.
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I reckon that's probably true (what happened) as he was in his earpiece immediately following the first yellow ... so I assume the game was also being reffed from the sidelines, which I thought was wrong? And irregardless, it just leads to the absolute clusterfuck that resulted - just because you made a mistake (or were told you did ... I think a yellow was ok, it could have been a red but it wasn't a clear cut one) you can't go around 'evening things up' after the fact, as all the subsequent decisions or none decisions are exacerbating and repeating mistakes. Leave it at the one mistake and don't make a prick of yourself and a mess of the game

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Flavonoids said:
I reckon that's probably true (what happened) as he was in his earpiece immediately following the first yellow ... so I assume the game was also being reffed from the sidelines, which I thought was wrong? And irregardless, it just leads to the absolute clusterfuck that resulted - just because you made a mistake (or were told you did ... I think a yellow was ok, it could have been a red but it wasn't a clear cut one) you can't go around 'evening things up' after the fact, as all the subsequent decisions or none decisions are exacerbating and repeating mistakes. Leave it at the one mistake and don't make a prick of yourself and a mess of the game

Marsupial worrier.
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When I was umpiring cricket, it was always impressed on us how important it was not to try to "correct" an earlier mistake with a deliberate wrong decision. It only makes things worse; the players just think you don't know what you're doing.
 
Dick Fitzwell said:
Exactly what I’ve asked the ref sympathisers numerous times and not one of them have replied.
If swearing is a yellow card I have no complaints about Neil getting sent off IF that decision is applied consistently but it isn’t.
How was Greenwood not given a second yellow for the awful challenge on Seelt or the dive?
Why was Roberts booked for a shirt pull when no one was booked for the numerous shirt pulls on Clarke?
Wheres the consistency, the smug look on the refs face when he sent Neil off was annoying too when ONein is speaking to him.
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It's the lack of consistency that frustrates all football fans when their team have decisions go against them.

As you have pointed out this ref didn't even have consistency within the same game. If Neil's was a 2nd yellow where was the yellow for Seelt who went charging over to the ref to protest in a far more aggressive manner than Neil did. Did Boro not swear or disagree with the ref of any occasion? Of course they did.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
When I was umpiring cricket, it was always impressed on us how important it was not to try to "correct" an earlier mistake with a deliberate wrong decision. It only makes things worse; the players just think you don't know what you're doing.
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Exactly GOM, it's just common sense, and you'd think that any semi-competent referee would have come to that conclusion themselves years before they reached this level, and that their managers would constantly remind them and re-emphasise that ... but apparently not.
 
Seaham Towny said:
He wanted to make it about him. 40k there? On the telly? He’s thought, ‘I’m going to show that I take no shit’ then proceeded to completely bottle the second half.

Greenwood should’ve been off if he’s applying the letter of the law, so should Jones, Crooks should’ve been booked 5 times before half time.

But everyone is talking about him now. Hope the TikTok followers are worth it, you stupid Aussie kernt
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Making a name for himself in Australia.

He needs sacking or deporting
Dobblemackem said:
Two things really, really pissing me off about this. All evidence points to this ref being a total and utter jobsworth. Looking at the evidence, he tells Mowbray and Carrick he’s going to show empathy, given the occasion, point one. We then have video evidence in the past of him, being micd up for the cameras for Var.

There’s videos showing him doing very similar to another player who had been booked to make a point despite there being other players round him showing a higher level of dissent, but he chose the player who was to make a point. In the same passage of play Hume does probably worse than Neil.

However Neil is the one on the yellow card, so the ref being the jobsworth he is, steps up and does exactly what a person of his nature does. You get people like this in life, however in my opinion, they should not be a referee of football. It’s about consistency, and overall fairness, however he’s clearly one of those people who’s in it for Himself and will regularly do stuff like this to show how good he is to the powers that be.

I hope and pray we don’t get him at the sol again, because all the evidence points to him repeating this, and whilst it could be in our favour, it may not be again.

Point 2 is the consistency, as I’ve said he’s clearly a jobsworth, all the evidence shows this. He’s made his big headline gesture, and will be so quick to go back to his bosses to make the point of him doing it. However what isn’t acknowledged is everything else that happened that was just ignored as far as a person of his nature is concerned he’d ticked his box.

Nothing done about an elbow, nothing done about the pull back, nothing done about the diving, nothing done about the persistent fouling, nothing done about goading the crowd, no foul on Patterson despite it being worse than the two he gave to the boro keeper. The list goes on and on.

I’m not excusing our pathetic performance after going down to 10, boro deserved their win, however this absolute wanker of a bloke, should be removed completely from refereeing for everyone’s sake. It’s not sour grapes, it’s the evidence that points to him not being cut out for this role. I just hope we don’t see him again, and would love it if the bloke was removed from the job all together, so that this can’t happen anywhere else in the country.

A referee needs to be fair and consistent, it’s not about him and getting further in his career which is exactly what a jobsworth always does.
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Great post
 
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supercollins2 said:
Seen a clip of him on twitter, wolves player does similar, yet other wolves players are actually closer to him, books the guy already on a yellow and sends him off..
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I have no idea why more wasn’t made of this at the time.

It was confirmed that Lamina was booked for being the 3rd player to approach the ref (1st and 2nd are allowed apparently) it was a rule the ref completely made up on the spot and had never been implemented before.

To try and cover up this mistake this rule was used again the following day to book a Man City play (Rodri I believe) and the ref clearly highlighted he was getting booked because he was the 3rd player.

The rule was never implemented again after that weekend.
 
Ref was having a mare, completely out of his depth, dont know if his head went, or he made a conscious decision to make things easier for himself in the second half. Either way ruined what was a cracking game of football. Hope he is sacked. Football is about entertainment, yea send someone off for endangering an opponent, or blatant cheating, pointing out to the clueless fecker that he has missed another foul FFS that not dissent is it
 
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