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36.566 Leeds average
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The age old problem of confusing size and success. Are Leeds more successful than Sunderland ? Yes. The truth is however that Sunderland are a bigger club than most of the premier league.
Wrenthorpe Mackem
Striker
I think if we get into PL this will happen.
Club is being careful to nurture the support which is commendable, particularly with the season ticket prices for kids. However, we are quite cheap let's be honest. I'd be tempted to charge a bit more than what we do right now. I don't think it would have a serious impact..prob charge more for adult season tickets and under 22s. Keep it cheap for u18s.
JL1985
Striker
No they aren’t.
Swindon On Tour
Striker
League Wan - as DiCanio would say.
Wrenthorpe Mackem
Striker
That's a big call. There's at least 10 clubs I can think of whom are bigger, no argument. It's the old old debate but we are a top 12 club imo. Top 14 even.
Swindon On Tour
Striker
Leeds have cracking loyal support all over the Country. Big Club.
As do Sunderland, Newcastle and many others.
Loyal Supporters of clubs like ours will never see that but respect to any Supporter who sticks through good and bad irrespective of Club.
Mace
Midfield
Leeds are not more successful than Sunderland. Not in any metric. And that is a fact. Years in top flight, trophies won, attendances. Sunderland top them on every count. Leeds like West Ham are one of the most overrated clubs in the country given what they've achieved to what they're perceived to be.
Bladecat
Striker
Leicester and Southampton have the same stadium in different colours
Wrenthorpe Mackem
Striker
Three league titles since 60s? A few cups? Champions League football?
Not bad.
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Deleted member 54868
Guest
But surely that what been a bigger club means. winning tropies competing successfully in Europe not getting 40k playing burton albion in div 1and winning nothing for decades apart from a papa John trophy
Mace
Midfield
It's not bad but if you believed some they're up there with the top few clubs in the country. Not even top ten imo and i'll name ten bigger if you want.
Edit: End of my post sounds like im having a go at you but i wasnt. Leeds are a decent sized club but overrated imo.
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Deleted member 54868
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In trophies won they have both won 7 major trophies Sunderland 6 league title's and one fa cup leeds 3 league title's 2 European tropies 1 fa cup 1 league cup we have played 4 games in Europe leeds 75 games and have appeared in 6 major European finals so in that metric we don't come anyway near Leeds
For a city (Leeds) population 900,000 approx, very poorly supported IMO.
Binxy
Striker
Mag.
vinegar hill
Striker
It doesn’t take long for some,especially Leeds sympathisers to come on and downplay our support but they try to be subtle doing it.
I don’t know what it is about Leeds and some on here.
I don’t know what it is about Leeds and some on here.
Jelly Belly
Striker
"SAFC61"
European trophies? They won the Fairs Cup which barely registers as a anything. An invite only trophy which was restricted to clubs of city status and would only allow one club per city.
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Ned Land
Winger
Well done for taking the time to gather information to make your point. Most posts on here are non-factual opinions.There's no doubt that we have a tremendous following, especially away, given the shite we've had in recent years and being starved of success. However, what a few people don't take into account is the pricing structure and availability of those 'cheaper' tickets we have at the SOL that do help our numbers. Just look at the Sheff Wed prices in these posts in another thread, along with Leeds and Leicester.
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/season-ticket-tracker-2023-24.1608684/post-38725524
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/season-ticket-tracker-2023-24.1608684/post-38725991
Look at the revenue created from just 4,000 Sheff Wed fans aged 18-21. They generate the same revenue as 10,000 to as many as 14,000 SAFC fans aged 18-21. It's a piss take asking their fans to pay that much given their capacity and where they've been in recent seasons. Leeds will probably generate way more match day revenue than we will. Also note the link to a post from a Leeds fans saying they restricting ST sales and force fans who are 'members' to pay inflated match day ticket prices!
Here's another example in Southampton as they generate millions more match day revenue than SAFC. Yet they only have a 30,000 capacity and the revenue is higher because they restrict the 'cheaper' tickets and have even higher prices for premium seats. Look at their 2023/24 prices and how they have many sections trying to maximise revenue. At a rough guess I reckon they have around 5,000 seats in the cheaper Family Section. This is unlike the SOL that has the 4 stands and simple pricing structure and allows cheap tickets from the younger fans in around 90% of the ground.
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The thing is that some clubs know that some fans will still pay it and it ends up pricing out many other fans, more so if the club is restricted by capacity such as Southampton do. If some other teams had the same capacity as the SOL along with the same ticket prices/availability etc then they'd probably have higher gates. Or the same could be said if we had a lower capacity and had Sheff Wed's pricing structure as it would certainly hit our numbers.
Note this isn't a bash at our fans because like I said, there's no doubt about our tremendous numbers. I'm just showing that these days it's not just simply about crowd numbers alone like it was when ticket prices were lower and closer between clubs. This is why it's become a pointless dick waving contest to some degree as you can't bash another teams following as much as some do if they're having to pay a shit load more and/or have restricted capacity.
But aye, we will top the average table in the Championship this season for certain, along with beating many PL teams as we'll finish 11th overall in all the leaguesIf we have a good season then we may even compare to Everton's 39k, Chelsea's 40k and Villa's 41k which is 8th overall.
It was more of a rugby league city than a ‘soccer’ city until the Revie era, iirc.
Loads of leeds fans are from outside of the city in godforsaken parts of Yorkshire.
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Deleted member 54868
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no that was the inter City fairs cup it changed to the fairs cup and access was gained through league position and was then renamed eufa cup so you are totally wrong"SAFC61"
European trophies? They won the Fairs Cup which barely registers as a anything. An invite only trophy which was restricted to clubs of city status and would only allow one club per city.
