Liverpool Beachball
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Odd that Potts is in lions squad but not the main one
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Squad announced for Pakistan test series
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Archer, Mahmood and Carse travelling with the squad as part of their recovery programmes. Good to see them on the come back trail, would be nice to have some quick options rather than just whoever is fit enough to show up
It's on Sky Sports
scotch
Striker
See, Bess can bat and I can see him becoming another Dawson in a couple years.
Parkinson, I still think he has something and would be a really good 2nd or 3rd choice spinner
Bess had some good moments for England, he was excellent in our win in South Africa, but he needs time away from spotlight
Parkinson isn’t good enough in my opinion
Really pleased they’ve gone the way they have, I think it’s innovative, their philosophy like the summer is get runs quickly, gives you more time to get 20 wickets
Pakistan strong favourite s but don’t think we are missing much by not selection the likes of Bess and Parkinson
Jack Torrance
Striker
Think the argument was if Leach gets injured then we don’t have another frontline spinner to play. The squad is fine but I thought Potts and another spinner should have went
Yeah fair point, as said above the young leggy is going and the word is he is unofficially in squad really
Suspect one of the seamers from the lions will end up going. Agree on Potts I think that squad lacks of a bowler who can bowl all day, all the tough overs
Potts will be quite far down the pecking order next summer likr with archer and wood back
Think he will play loads for Durham
smoker
Striker
Overton instead of Potts?
Only one frontline spinner on the subcontinent?
Duckett, Livingstone, Jacks and Brook = white ball experts?
The one I don't necessarily disagree with is Jennings over Lees. Jennings is decent against spin (although he'll be nicking off all owa against their pace bowlers).
Only one frontline spinner on the subcontinent?
Duckett, Livingstone, Jacks and Brook = white ball experts?
The one I don't necessarily disagree with is Jennings over Lees. Jennings is decent against spin (although he'll be nicking off all owa against their pace bowlers).
Overton completely different bowler to Potts like. He’s back up to wood
You don’t go to Pakistan and play 3 new ball low 80s bowlers.I’d have Potts in squad but certainly not at expense of Overton
How is brook a white ball expert? He was the stand out red ball batter in the country last year, that’s why he was picked
Duckett record at 3 in the CC over a few years is brilliant too
scotch
Striker
100% Potts should have gone, just for the experience at least
Jimmy plays when fit
Wood and Archer to rotate given workloads
Robinson plays when fit
Broad, probably plays when fit (think he bowled well at the back end of the summer after a rough start)
Stokes as the 5th seamer
Then
Potts for me
Woakes if his pace is good and knee holds up
S Curran
C Overton after Curran
Mahmood if he recovers well
Stone if Wood and Archer are unavailable
J Overton after him
That's a base of 12 seamers to choose from if all fit
Seamers wise -
Jimmy plays when fit
Wood and Archer to rotate given workloads
Robinson plays when fit
Broad, probably plays when fit (think he bowled well at the back end of the summer after a rough start)
Stokes as the 5th seamer
Then
Potts for me
Woakes if his pace is good and knee holds up
S Curran
C Overton after Curran
Mahmood if he recovers well
Stone if Wood and Archer are unavailable
J Overton after him
That's a base of 12 seamers to choose from if all fit
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I’d be surprised if Potts features in the ashes
Jimmy n Robinson nailed on with broad n Woakes back up and wood n archer rotating
It’s all about variety ain’t it, combinations you don’t want to just pick 3 new ball bowlers in my opinion
Curran is the one to watch, he’s got a bit quicker and more robust, and obviously he has ability to be a frontline batsman in my opinion
Englands whole philosophy of getting runs really quickly kind of plays into lower order runs, we suffered last summer really as foakes ended up batting with rabbits and wasnt the best at that as opposed to bairstow or someone
Smoker mate any reply on you calling Brook and Duckett white ball experts? When they’re the exact opposite?
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Liverpool Beachball
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I know you cant compare T2O and Tests, but England clearly want batsman who can score quick and people who can bowl some overs in the team, I wonder if Brook might actually miss out, even though everyone assumes he would replace Bairstow.
England's whole mantra is just to win the next game, so doesnt really matter if he "deserves" his chance or will play next summer etc.
I mean playing livingstone and jacks.
Jennings
Crawley
Pope
Root
Livingstone
Stokes (C)
Foakes (WK)
Jacks
Wood
Leach
Robinson/Jimmy
Gives them 6 bowlers, plus some Root. I think they will want the seamers to bowl at absolute maximum effort, and will rotate and get creative with the rest to "buy" some wickets, which they did all summer.
I think Livingstone will 100% play IMO, as I just dont think they'd ferry him across there to carry the drinks when he could be used elsewhere in the set up.
I like the look of that team personally think its exciting, and its the only way England can win really is to try attack and be agressive, there is no chance they grind it out and win attritionaly
England's whole mantra is just to win the next game, so doesnt really matter if he "deserves" his chance or will play next summer etc.
I mean playing livingstone and jacks.
Jennings
Crawley
Pope
Root
Livingstone
Stokes (C)
Foakes (WK)
Jacks
Wood
Leach
Robinson/Jimmy
Gives them 6 bowlers, plus some Root. I think they will want the seamers to bowl at absolute maximum effort, and will rotate and get creative with the rest to "buy" some wickets, which they did all summer.
I think Livingstone will 100% play IMO, as I just dont think they'd ferry him across there to carry the drinks when he could be used elsewhere in the set up.
I like the look of that team personally think its exciting, and its the only way England can win really is to try attack and be agressive, there is no chance they grind it out and win attritionaly
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Raker
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Unrelated but with the T20 being the only thing on offer of late, I’ve proper missed joe root slamming the ball to the boundary. Love him to bits.
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t.
Swings it both ways, gets nip off the surface, the ability to change the game in a single spell.
Yeah, I LOVE the Livingstone selection, I’m a big fan of his, he’s one of these blokes who just makes things happen. Think his bowling could be a real asset, he’s aggressive and tries to attack batsmen, he’ll not be arsed if he goes the distance a few times because he only needs to ‘win’ once against any batsman.
It’s a good point you make about trying to be aggressive too, I watched practically every ball of the Pakistan v Australia series earlier in the year and the pitches were VERY flat throughout. I think the key to winning over there is by getting a big score as quickly as you can and then by putting pressure on the opposition. Seem to remember the first two Tests in that series being drawn due to the team batting first not scoring quickly enough to leave themselves enough time to take 20 wickets.
I think the best way to utilise him will be for him to bowl 3/4 over spells of aggressive, pitched up bowling in the hope he can get it reversing. Aussies were effective at that the last time.
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Jack Torrance
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Next summer we’ll have a lot returning from injury I think he’s down the pecking order:
Jimmy
Broad
Robinson
Wood
Archer
Woakes
Durham-Mackem41
Midfield
Sadly o don’t think Woody will be fit enough to play. Our injury record for our bowlers last few years is shocking!
