Salman Rushdie stabbed



NYMackem said:
Is that the fault of Islam though, or of autocratic dickheads using Islam to control their populaces? It's not some centrally controlled religion where followers are bound to the pronouncements of a supreme leader - anyone can call themselves an imam and try to convince followers that their interpretation is the correct one.
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The Prophet of the religion was a man of war and violence....
 
CEF said:
It does cause hate, division, and repression everywhere it goes to be fair. Countries where it's the major religion nearly all suffer repression because of it. Everywhere where it's a minority religion, they cause bother.
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A lot if the grooming gang perpetrators dont believe they are committing a crime.
 
RichB said:
Science wont ever disprove God

The basis of religion is faith. To have faith the object of that has to remain non- provable. If Jesus did turn up out the blue organised religion would be knackered

I'm happy to be open minded about spirituality and that there is more to human life than science can explain but religious texts have tapped into this to provide a structure for it.

I'm amazed anyone can believe that religious belief = good person. Where I live the Pope has just visited to apologise for the Church run residential school abusing and murdering kids

One thing that Christianity cant explain is why the major Christian dates like Easter had been around for centuries before the bible
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I’m with Ricky Gervais on this one. It’s part of a longer text on Atheist and Agnostic but on your point I’ve bolded:

And let's not forget, you can't PROVE the non-existence of something, and, why would you? Just like you can't prove the non-existence of any of the gods, you can't prove the non-existence of unicorns, fairies or Santa Claus.
 
NYMackem said:
Is that the fault of Islam though, or of autocratic dickheads using Islam to control their populaces? It's not some centrally controlled religion where followers are bound to the pronouncements of a supreme leader - anyone can call themselves an imam and try to convince followers that their interpretation is the correct one.
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The Koran is the central control. And there's some pretty awful things in there. Hoping that all the different imams will manage to twist it all into some benign explanation just isn't realistic. A well edited version of the Koran would help immensely but you'd be lucky not to lose your head for suggesting that to anyone who matters.
 
LiverBird said:
People are free to do what they want or believe what they want. i'm not here to sugar coat it however, so if God has said its wrong for a man to lay with a man then its a sin, end of. Others can choose to do twist it or not believe it however. But the line for me is drawn at disrespectful comments at those who do believe in a God and don't think some ridiculous big bang by some chance caused all this creation to happen.


If you think its arrogance then sorry however I have a set of rules, they don't change one day because society thinks we should change.

I'm glad you think you stand for something though, well done.
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The things I stand for are evidence based, alas you will never be able to say that.
 
Frijj said:
Whilst I agree with you, I don’t think that there should be consequences for strong speech against a religion itself…followers of a religion are something else, they’re people, but I don’t think there should be any legal consequences for expressing hate towards a religion, or just religion as a whole.
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Not sure that anything Rushdie wrote was hate speech?
 
Lankester Merrin said:
Not sure that anything Rushdie wrote was hate speech?
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I wasn’t suggesting that it was. I just don’t think you should be prohibited from saying you hate a religion, as in the belief system itself.

However @Paddy O'Dors and @Darlo1973 raise valid points that it is hard to allow expression of that, and not allow expression of hatred towards followers of a religion.

I don’t want that, nor do I want rallies against a religion or anything public that would incite hatred against other people.
 
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NYMackem said:
Is that the fault of Islam though, or of autocratic dickheads using Islam to control their populaces? It's not some centrally controlled religion where followers are bound to the pronouncements of a supreme leader - anyone can call themselves an imam and try to convince followers that their interpretation is the correct one.
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Islam mainly, it gets into their laws and is by default strict, authoritarian, and often cruel.
 
CatRyan said:
I read Classics and specialised in Byzantine History so yes I did, I was also the only class in the country to do Medieval History for A Level so studied it then also.
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How much would that course concentrate on islam? I thought Byzantine would be more Greek and Holy Roman Empire.
CatRyan said:
It isn't the Pope equivalent it is the equivalent of the head of a KKK chapter putting a bounty on people for being black and that
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KKK don't lead the country or make their laws.
LiverBird said:
The God of Abraham.
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So the Christian, Jewish and Islamic god?
 

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