• The forums will be unavailable for a few hours on Saturday 6th June, when they do return they will initially be in a degraded state with some features missing, but normal posting/reading will be possible. The main website will not be affected by these updates.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.
    Some other features of the forum are also currently disabled.

NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

Status
Not open for further replies.
The Fish said:
In the last 30 years NUFC has had 15 years of mostly ambition and excitement, and then 15 years of mostly regression and disillusionment. Ashley was the catalyst for that change.
Click to expand...
15 years? Were the 6 seasons of lower league finishes of 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 14th & 13th showing ambition and excitement? Two of your seasons in Europe were through yet another back door due to being a losing finalist in the FA Cup. I think that back door into Europe stopped around 2015 and weren't 3 seasons Intertoto also? What about the 15 years prior or has your history pre 1992 been wiped from your mind like many other mag fans?

Squat said:
wouldnt it be more accurate to say running out of money was the catalyst? the previous owners couldn't sustain it. ashley couldnt/wouldnt either.
Click to expand...
This is why we call some of your fans deluded @The Fish. Some fans think they rightly deserve to be up there ignoring the fact the money spent back then also due to the growth of the Premier League giving clubs increased revenues. It was a game changer as clubs had all this new revenue coming in and started spending it.

Even the likes of Boro paying Ravanelli £42,000 a week in 1996 was unheard of a few seasons prior. You got Shearer for a world record fee paying him the highest wages in Premier League after Ravanelli and highest 2 seasons after. Unlike Boro you also paid big wages to other players and it was unsustainable in the end. They were still chasing breaking their transfer record for Owen and paying him a whopping £110,000 a week (bear in mind this was way back in 2005!). Due to lack of success and Champions League money after that, Hall bailed as he knew he couldn't compete with Abramovich etc and the club was in debt and it would only have got worse if they kept chasing Champions League. The ambitio was actually overspending and gambling on getting future revenue to cover it but at huge risk to the club's finances.

Leeds did the same as did Blackburn but eventually the overspending caught up with them, more so Leeds but they both won summit at least. Leicester have also spent bigger since winning and had their spell of enjoyment but sadly I think it's going to be downhill from now. They aren't in Europe this season and they won't have the revenue to sustain their previous seasons spending and their wage bill of £157m is nearly triple 2015's £57m.

You must be logged on to see media items

Leicester could sell players like they did previously like Maguire, Kante, Mahrez etc but they still need replacing and they've done well bringing in players but a few bad recruitments and it will catch up with them. It looks like Everton could end doing that too as they spent up so can't spend big unless they sell.

All this overspending by the mags new owners on players and offering big fees & clauses along with higher wages isn't sustainable unless their revenue climbs hugely. If they haven't got in with the big boys in coming seasons it could well go wrong and they end up like Everton. They may well have rich owners but this isn't the 90's again as now the owners can't just go spending money without the revenue coming in. Even the fiddling of sponsorship deals may not be enough to finance it all as the money is obscene now and the revenue of the big 6 combined is greater than the other 14 (lowest of the 6 is still double the highest of 14). I hope it all goes tits up for a few reasons which includes reasons regarding the 'majority' owners.
 

The Fish said:
Because we regularly competed in European competition for the majority of that 14yr span prior to Ashley's 14yr span.

I cannot fathom how this is even up for debate.
You must be logged on to see external links
You must be logged on to see external links
(Tier 1)		42238118241773rdR4R3
You must be logged on to see external links
41
(Tier 1)422012106747726thQFR4 – 15
(Tier 1)3824686637782ndR3QF29
(Tier 1)38191187340682ndR4R4 – 28
(Tier 1)3811111635444413thQF –
7
(Tier 1)3811131448544613thR4 – 21
(Tier 1)3814101463545211thSFR3 – 30
(Tier 1)381491544505111thR3R4

7
(Tier 1)3821897452714thQFQF – 27
(Tier 1)38216116348693rdR3R3 – 25
(Tier 1)38131785240565thR4R3 – 28
–
(Tier 1)3810141447574414thSFR4 – 19
(Tier 1)38177144742587thQFR4 – 14
(Tier 1)3811101738474313thR3QF – 17
–
Click to expand...

So your using 14 years because that reflects favourably on the point your making.

How does 20 years before Ashley look?
Anyone can do what your doing
Leicester won the league with Ranieri and Wes Morgan

Nufc fans would have protested over the same joined up thinking
 
Last edited:
The Fish said:
What myth man, where did I say that we didn't sell some players for big money? Yet another strawman.

Binxy it's pretty self explanatory, compare these past 14yrs with the 14 before them. That's a good comparison, a good sample size. Comparing a post Premier League landscape to 1970s football is pointless. When I'm looking to recruit someone, I don't look at what they did for their GCSEs, I want to know their recent experience.

I'm grading Mike Ashley on what he inherited, what he did with it and what he left at the end.
He inherited a team regularly in Europe with financial issues. He failed to grow the club at all, and instead fell behind competitors on the pitch and on the balance sheet. He sold a neglected product at a profit not because of what it is, but it's potential.
Click to expand...
Because those before him overspent so he needed to steady the ship. Any other fanbase would have been grateful as NUFC were going to the wall. It was unsustainable.
 
Banks said:
So your using 14 years because that reflects favourably on the point your making.

How does 20 years before Ashley look?
Anyone can do what your doing
Leicester won the league with Ranieri and Wes Morgan

Nufc fans would have protested over the same joined up thinking
Click to expand...
They only started in 1992 and have filled their fan base with plastic entitled fuckers ever since !
 
The Fish said:
Because we regularly competed in European competition for the majority of that 14yr span prior to Ashley's 14yr span.

I cannot fathom how this is even up for debate.
You must be logged on to see external links
You must be logged on to see external links
(Tier 1)		42238118241773rdR4R3
You must be logged on to see external links
41
(Tier 1)422012106747726thQFR4 – 15
(Tier 1)3824686637782ndR3QF29
(Tier 1)38191187340682ndR4R4 – 28
Click to expand...
It's up for debate as these are the seasons positions and what European competition you qualified for. Those in red are what you would call back door entries into Europe due to being a losing finalist in the FA Cup or going into the Intertoto.

Logon or register to see this image


Ignoring the fact overspending during the growth of the blossoming Premier League revenue years it's still impressive. It's something for us mackems to be jealous of but it's not as impressive as you're trying to make out and certainly not something you consistently did in prior seasons.

You simply reverted to type once the money stopped being thrown around when Hall bailed. Ashley came in without due
diligence and ended up throwing money he had into covering the deb and realising the mess the club was int. Money throwing has started again but it's not like Hall did the 90's as you're not breaking transfer records paying Mbappe £500k a week but rather buying Premier League plodders and unknowns who aren't proven Premier League. Enjoy it while you can as hopefully you end up in a worse situation than Everton due to lack of success and increased revenue.

Unless The Fish is doing the fishing then the delusion is strong with this one
 
The Fish said:
Is it just the done thing on here to answer a point that wasn't made?

In the last 30 years NUFC has had 15 years of mostly ambition and excitement, and then 15 years of mostly regression and disillusionment. Ashley was the catalyst for that change.

The only reason you think Ashley isn't a bad owner, is because we thought he was. If we wanted to put up a statue of Keegan you'd insist he did nothing, won nothing and so shouldn't get one. If you wanted to put up a statue of Sewpa Kev, we wouldn't care.
Click to expand...
You’d be straight on the metro to piss on the statue.
 
Yoohoooo
The Fish said:
There wasn't hell on when Ashley presented us with McClaren, or Hughton, why would there be hell on if he appointed a fairly well respected young manager with a reputation for playing good football like Howe? You're just making shit up man.

Don't take my comment as a compliment, it was a criticism, I'd have thought that was clear by the tone? You tweet the same thing daily and you cheapen your legitimate concerns about the Saudis by bringing your own club's record against ours into it.


No. It wasn't parsimony that got us relegated twice, it was mismanagement. It wasn't lack of funds that meant we didn't strengthen when we ended up 5th, it was lack of ambition.
Click to expand...
You just drone on and on and on and on and on about nowt, you boring nacker
 
Sporty said:
15 years? Were the 6 seasons of lower league finishes of 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 14th & 13th showing ambition and excitement? Two of your seasons in Europe were through yet another back door due to being a losing finalist in the FA Cup. I think that back door into Europe stopped around 2015 and weren't 3 seasons Intertoto also? What about the 15 years prior or has your history pre 1992 been wiped from your mind like many other mag fans?


This is why we call some of your fans deluded @The Fish. Some fans think they rightly deserve to be up there ignoring the fact the money spent back then also due to the growth of the Premier League giving clubs increased revenues. It was a game changer as clubs had all this new revenue coming in and started spending it.
Click to expand...
Yes, those seasons were an unsuccessful attempt to strive for better. I've seen the"back door" thing before and, honestly? it makes you sound bitter, rather coming across as any great gotcha. We were in the UEFA cup, regularly. If that was because we go to an FA Cup final, or qualified via the Intertoto, I don't care, we were legitimately in the competition.

No team has a god given right to be anywhere, you are where you are. If Man Utd, arguably the biggest club on the planet, were get relegated and tumble down the league, their mismanagement and performances will have earned them that. However there appears to be a feeling on here that, just because our average league position over our entire 130yr history is 12th, means that should be the limit of ambition now.

There's also a conflation of aim and result. We finished 11th under Shepherd and Hall, therefore that's the same as when we finished 11th under Ashley. Which is hysterical.
 
The Fish said:
Yes, those seasons were an unsuccessful attempt to strive for better. I've seen the"back door" thing before and, honestly? it makes you sound bitter, rather coming across as any great gotcha. We were in the UEFA cup, regularly. If that was because we go to an FA Cup final, or qualified via the Intertoto, I don't care, we were legitimately in the competition.

No team has a god given right to be anywhere, you are where you are. If Man Utd, arguably the biggest club on the planet, were get relegated and tumble down the league, their mismanagement and performances will have earned them that. However there appears to be a feeling on here that, just because our average league position over our entire 130yr history is 12th, means that should be the limit of ambition now.

There's also a conflation of aim and result. We finished 11th under Shepherd and Hall, therefore that's the same as when we finished 11th under Ashley. Which is hysterical.
Click to expand...
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
The Fish said:
Yes, those seasons were an unsuccessful attempt to strive for better. I've seen the"back door" thing before and, honestly? it makes you sound bitter, rather coming across as any great gotcha. We were in the UEFA cup, regularly. If that was because we go to an FA Cup final, or qualified via the Intertoto, I don't care, we were legitimately in the competition.

No team has a god given right to be anywhere, you are where you are. If Man Utd, arguably the biggest club on the planet, were get relegated and tumble down the league, their mismanagement and performances will have earned them that. However there appears to be a feeling on here that, just because our average league position over our entire 130yr history is 12th, means that should be the limit of ambition now.

There's also a conflation of aim and result. We finished 11th under Shepherd and Hall, therefore that's the same as when we finished 11th under Ashley. Which is hysterical.
Click to expand...
Are you OK?
 
Banks said:
So your using 14 years because that reflects favourably on the point your making.

How does 20 years before Ashley look?
Anyone can do what your doing
Leicester won the league with Ranieri and Wes Morgan

Nufc fans would have protested over the same joined up thinking
Click to expand...
No, I'm using the 14 prior because Ashley was in charge for 14 seasons. Had he owned us for 7, I'd have used 7 yrs prior, had he run us for 30yrs I'd have used 30 yrs prior. We've been over this, many, many times.

Leicester did and it was a remarkable fairytale story. Since then, according to RTG logic, they should be happy with... 18th?
Skylon said:
Are you OK?
Click to expand...
Yep, I'm just killing some time.
 
The Fish said:
No, I'm using the 14 prior because Ashley was in charge for 14 seasons. Had he owned us for 7, I'd have used 7 yrs prior, had he run us for 30yrs I'd have used 30 yrs prior. We've been over this, many, many times.

Leicester did and it was a remarkable fairytale story. Since then, according to RTG logic, they should be happy with... 18th?

Yep, I'm just killing some time.
Click to expand...
You are the most boring fucker that has ever posted on here, you really are just a waste of oxygen.
Skylon said:
Are you OK?
Click to expand...
That fucker could put a glass eye to sleep
 
Sporty said:
It's up for debate as these are the seasons positions and what European competition you qualified for. Those in red are what you would call back door entries into Europe due to being a losing finalist in the FA Cup or going into the Intertoto.

Logon or register to see this image


Ignoring the fact overspending during the growth of the blossoming Premier League revenue years it's still impressive. It's something for us mackems to be jealous of but it's not as impressive as you're trying to make out and certainly not something you consistently did in prior seasons.

You simply reverted to type once the money stopped being thrown around when Hall bailed. Ashley came in without due
diligence and ended up throwing money he had into covering the deb and realising the mess the club was int. Money throwing has started again but it's not like Hall did the 90's as you're not breaking transfer records paying Mbappe £500k a week but rather buying Premier League plodders and unknowns who aren't proven Premier League. Enjoy it while you can as hopefully you end up in a worse situation than Everton due to lack of success and increased revenue.

Unless The Fish is doing the fishing then the delusion is strong with this one
Click to expand...

Doesn't sound like the Ashley I've heard about on here, failing to do something as basic as due diligence...

Those Premier League plodders are a step up on what we had under Ashley and the only player we've signed since the takeover with no experience of the Premier League is Bruno Guimaraes. I think he'll be fine, I also don't think he's an unknown.

There's a difference between you and me. I am enjoying every second of your troubles, but I wouldn't wish financial rack and ruin on your club. I thought it was hilarious when you failed to win promotion from the third tier on 3 occasions, but want you to steer well clear of that trampy bullshit merchant Storey.
 
Skylon said:
Is straw man now the mags's favourite new saying? Some saudi apologist yesterday kept using it, now this cat treat fella
Click to expand...
Saudi apologist?

Any quotes from me to back that up or is it yet more pork pies from you? I'll not hold my breath like, you seem to enjoy making baseless accusations
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top